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Kindly stop supporting a nation built on genocide and enslavement. The ethical path to engineering a system that's not intended to kill people is to stop it whe

Kindly stop supporting a nation built on genocide and enslavement. The ethical path to engineering a system that's not intended to kill people is to stop it when it does and dismantle it, evolving the foundational principles used to design it in the first place. And to do all that without sacrificing more lives. Electoral reform is impossible because there's no way to say no to the entire system.

sunsetSamurai 1y ago
I live in the USA so I don't have the choice to just leave, at least not now. So I must do what I can to make this country better.
- crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
  I live in the USA. You can put all your skills to work on designing systems of collective liberation to replace the existing systems of oppression this country was founded on & requires to persist. A collapse is coming, so now is the time to prepare so we have something liberatory to fill the predictable power vacuum with. The wealthy are already doing this.
  - appreciatorBus 1y ago
    Are the psychological disorders that result from oppression under collectivism better than those of capitalism?
dralley 1y ago
The most frustrating thing about leftists is their focus on tearing down and self-flagellation over actually doing anything meaningful to make the world a better place. There is a whole archetype of person that would rather verbally jerk off to thoughts of defeatism and disgust and criticizing everyone else than do anything useful themselves.
- apercu 1y ago
  You could change left to right and that would be an honest statement.
- crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
  Maybe it's not as dualistic as you portray things. I'm literally designing and building a system for collective liberation and meeting needs to replace systems of oppression. Why people argue against that is beyond me
  - appreciatorBus 1y ago
    How will your system for collectivism differ from all those that have been tried so far and ended in dictatorship and mass murder?
p3rls 1y ago
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hedora 1y ago
The right managed to succeed with their electoral reforms. Gerrymandering is legal, and the president is now above the law. The left should use the same tactics: Focus on state and local elections then use those positions to fix elections so that the national majority of voters decide who runs the federal government (instead of the current 25-30% of voters). Doing this is completely legal now that the Supreme Court has gutted the rule of law. For starters, all states should aggressively gerrymand. That’ll basically guarantee the house goes democrat in 2026: https://www.natesilver.net/p/democrats-can-win-the-redistricting https://www.natesilver.net/p/democrats-can-win-the-redistric... If the democrats fail to do this, it’s not mere incompetence. It’s probably because their financial backers actually support the changes being made by Trump.
- shigawire 1y ago
  As a democratic voter I don't like this either. I vote because I want rule of law. It's not as clear cut to me that discarding rule of law to beat the GOP is the best option. There is a chance they can be defeated without undermining having a functional electoral system
  - yepitwas 1y ago
    This went out the window as a viable approach when McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat. We’re at minimum-two justices being on the take, post a coup attempt with the leader of said attempt back in the Oval Office, and Republicans have already declared intent to gerrymander their way to victory with no roadblocks to that in sight. And this is not an exhaustive list of ailments. You can’t go in with legal gloves and no hitting below the belt et c. while your opponent is bare-knuckle and going for nut shots and headlocks. You’ll just get your ass kicked, every time, no matter how morally pure you feel about it. Meanwhile, fixing gerrymandering almost certainly means getting Republican votes to do so. The only way to do that, in this environment, is going to be to make them believe their odds are better without gerrymandering, than with it. That means using it against them, until it’s made illegal.
  - dawnerd 1y ago
    This attitude is exactly what the far right is banking on to make sure there is never another liberal gov elected fairly.

sunsetSamurai 1y ago

I live in the USA so I don't have the choice to just leave, at least not now. So I must do what I can to make this country better.

crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
I live in the USA. You can put all your skills to work on designing systems of collective liberation to replace the existing systems of oppression this country was founded on & requires to persist. A collapse is coming, so now is the time to prepare so we have something liberatory to fill the predictable power vacuum with. The wealthy are already doing this.
- appreciatorBus 1y ago
  Are the psychological disorders that result from oppression under collectivism better than those of capitalism?

dralley 1y ago

The most frustrating thing about leftists is their focus on tearing down and self-flagellation over actually doing anything meaningful to make the world a better place. There is a whole archetype of person that would rather verbally jerk off to thoughts of defeatism and disgust and criticizing everyone else than do anything useful themselves.

apercu 1y ago
You could change left to right and that would be an honest statement.
crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
Maybe it's not as dualistic as you portray things. I'm literally designing and building a system for collective liberation and meeting needs to replace systems of oppression. Why people argue against that is beyond me
- appreciatorBus 1y ago
  How will your system for collectivism differ from all those that have been tried so far and ended in dictatorship and mass murder?

p3rls 1y ago

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hedora 1y ago

The right managed to succeed with their electoral reforms. Gerrymandering is legal, and the president is now above the law. The left should use the same tactics: Focus on state and local elections then use those positions to fix elections so that the national majority of voters decide who runs the federal government (instead of the current 25-30% of voters). Doing this is completely legal now that the Supreme Court has gutted the rule of law. For starters, all states should aggressively gerrymand. That’ll basically guarantee the house goes democrat in 2026: https://www.natesilver.net/p/democrats-can-win-the-redistricting https://www.natesilver.net/p/democrats-can-win-the-redistric... If the democrats fail to do this, it’s not mere incompetence. It’s probably because their financial backers actually support the changes being made by Trump.

shigawire 1y ago
As a democratic voter I don't like this either. I vote because I want rule of law. It's not as clear cut to me that discarding rule of law to beat the GOP is the best option. There is a chance they can be defeated without undermining having a functional electoral system
- yepitwas 1y ago
  This went out the window as a viable approach when McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat. We’re at minimum-two justices being on the take, post a coup attempt with the leader of said attempt back in the Oval Office, and Republicans have already declared intent to gerrymander their way to victory with no roadblocks to that in sight. And this is not an exhaustive list of ailments. You can’t go in with legal gloves and no hitting below the belt et c. while your opponent is bare-knuckle and going for nut shots and headlocks. You’ll just get your ass kicked, every time, no matter how morally pure you feel about it. Meanwhile, fixing gerrymandering almost certainly means getting Republican votes to do so. The only way to do that, in this environment, is going to be to make them believe their odds are better without gerrymandering, than with it. That means using it against them, until it’s made illegal.
- dawnerd 1y ago
  This attitude is exactly what the far right is banking on to make sure there is never another liberal gov elected fairly.