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Yes, politicians can agree or disagree with policy. That is their job. E.g., “here is a good policy we don’t have which we should enact,” and “here is a bad pol

by tyleo 1y ago

Yes, politicians can agree or disagree with policy. That is their job. E.g., “here is a good policy we don’t have which we should enact,” and “here is a bad policy we should get rid of.” I’m not saying I agree or disagree with this policy but the point of politicians is to advance policy one way or the other which requires agreeing/disagreeing.

estearum 1y ago
Again: this is not in any "politician's" hands. It's in SCOTUS's. Inmates have a right to medical care in this country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble
- tyleo 1y ago
  That link refers to decisions made based the US Code and the constitution. Politicians write those. Courts have responsibility in interpreting them. It’s still a politicians job to take a stance and decide what they should be.
  - estearum 1y ago
    Correct, which as I said: "At least a SCOTUS decision," where "amend the Constitution" is a significantly higher bar to meet. If you think we're going to amend the Constitution to ban gender affirming care for inmates you're living in outerspace, but I suppose your position is that politicians are supposed to just say shit that has the correct hate-valence and then it's as-good-as-accomplished? Inmates received this care under Trump 1 (because USG is obligated to provide it, Constitutionally): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/us/politics/trump-prisons-transgender-care-harris.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/us/politics/trump-prisons... They've tried stopping it in Trump 2 but have been enjoined by courts (because USG is obligated to provide it, Constitutionally): https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-judge-temporarily-enjoins-federal-prison-officials-from-withholding-health-care-from-incarcerated-trans-people https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-judge-temporaril...
    - tyleo 1y ago
      > you're living in outerspace, but I suppose your position is that politicians are supposed to just say shit that has the correct hate-valence and then it's as-good-as-accomplished Your reaction proves the point that this is a purity test. I’m not taking a stance one way or the other but you aren't able to engage without arguing against points I didn’t make.
      - estearum 1y ago
        What? Your argument: It is a purity test for politicians to say that transgender inmates should receive care (which Kamala passed, to the detriment of her electability) My argument: It is actually SCOTUS who decides this (or would require a Constitutional amendment, which is obviously absurd)

by tyleo 1y ago

estearum 1y ago

Again: this is not in any "politician's" hands. It's in SCOTUS's. Inmates have a right to medical care in this country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_v._Gamble

tyleo 1y ago
That link refers to decisions made based the US Code and the constitution. Politicians write those. Courts have responsibility in interpreting them. It’s still a politicians job to take a stance and decide what they should be.
- estearum 1y ago
  Correct, which as I said: "At least a SCOTUS decision," where "amend the Constitution" is a significantly higher bar to meet. If you think we're going to amend the Constitution to ban gender affirming care for inmates you're living in outerspace, but I suppose your position is that politicians are supposed to just say shit that has the correct hate-valence and then it's as-good-as-accomplished? Inmates received this care under Trump 1 (because USG is obligated to provide it, Constitutionally): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/us/politics/trump-prisons-transgender-care-harris.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/us/politics/trump-prisons... They've tried stopping it in Trump 2 but have been enjoined by courts (because USG is obligated to provide it, Constitutionally): https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-judge-temporarily-enjoins-federal-prison-officials-from-withholding-health-care-from-incarcerated-trans-people https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-judge-temporaril...
  - tyleo 1y ago
    > you're living in outerspace, but I suppose your position is that politicians are supposed to just say shit that has the correct hate-valence and then it's as-good-as-accomplished Your reaction proves the point that this is a purity test. I’m not taking a stance one way or the other but you aren't able to engage without arguing against points I didn’t make.
    - estearum 1y ago
      What? Your argument: It is a purity test for politicians to say that transgender inmates should receive care (which Kamala passed, to the detriment of her electability) My argument: It is actually SCOTUS who decides this (or would require a Constitutional amendment, which is obviously absurd)