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If you view all this through the lens of the goal of administration being to weaken the US both internally and as a world power, it all comes much more clearly

If you view all this through the lens of the goal of administration being to weaken the US both internally and as a world power, it all comes much more clearly into focus. Then it can be seen as no longer a disparate collection of seemingly random political, social, and economic moves, but rather as a directed, intentional movement.

tombert 1y ago
Still kind of baffles me that people voted for this, ostensibly to somehow lower grocery price by raising tariffs. Or, you know, they actually had really racist reasons and are using the grocery prices thing as an excuse. Who's to say?
- sedawkgrep 1y ago
  I think it's much bigger than racism. Take a look at the administration's first term and all the involvement and ties (financial, political, etc.) there are to Russia (and Russian-related objectives like Ukraine). It sounds bonkers, but the more you dig in and see how closely tied the relationships have been, and then see how totally soft Trump has been towards Putin/Russia - including direct actions towards Ukraine like removing the long-term diplomats, stopping weapons sales and aid, and recently killing USAID (whose #1 beneficiary was Ukraine) - it all coalesces into a single coherent view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates...
  - tombert 1y ago
    I have no doubt that the administration's motivation are weird and Russia-oriented. I was referring to the voters. I think a lot of the voters claimed grocery prices were the reason, but a lot of them really wanted to get rid of Mexicans. Trump used a lot of racist rhetoric during all three of his campaigns. The fact that conservatives seem unwilling to condemn the president and ICE for detaining naturalized citizens indicates this to me.
    - malnourish 1y ago
      Can you explain the growth in Republican Latino votes?
      - tombert 1y ago
        There’s actually a fair amount of internalized racism in a lot of Hispanic cultures in the US.

tombert 1y ago

Still kind of baffles me that people voted for this, ostensibly to somehow lower grocery price by raising tariffs. Or, you know, they actually had really racist reasons and are using the grocery prices thing as an excuse. Who's to say?

sedawkgrep 1y ago
I think it's much bigger than racism. Take a look at the administration's first term and all the involvement and ties (financial, political, etc.) there are to Russia (and Russian-related objectives like Ukraine). It sounds bonkers, but the more you dig in and see how closely tied the relationships have been, and then see how totally soft Trump has been towards Putin/Russia - including direct actions towards Ukraine like removing the long-term diplomats, stopping weapons sales and aid, and recently killing USAID (whose #1 beneficiary was Ukraine) - it all coalesces into a single coherent view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates...
- tombert 1y ago
  I have no doubt that the administration's motivation are weird and Russia-oriented. I was referring to the voters. I think a lot of the voters claimed grocery prices were the reason, but a lot of them really wanted to get rid of Mexicans. Trump used a lot of racist rhetoric during all three of his campaigns. The fact that conservatives seem unwilling to condemn the president and ICE for detaining naturalized citizens indicates this to me.
  - malnourish 1y ago
    Can you explain the growth in Republican Latino votes?
    - tombert 1y ago
      There’s actually a fair amount of internalized racism in a lot of Hispanic cultures in the US.