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It's the other way around. Nuclear works now. We just have to build it. Intermittent renewables supplying an industrial society does not. And there is no wa

It's the other way around. Nuclear works now. We just have to build it. Intermittent renewables supplying an industrial society does not. And there is no way to get from here to there except a lot of handwaving and "magic happens here". https://image.slidesharecdn.com/20100608webcontentchicagoslideshare-100609140333-phpapp02/95/slide-31-1024.jpg https://image.slidesharecdn.com/20100608webcontentchicagosli...

pfdietz 1y ago
PV has improved in cost/W by nearly three orders of magnitude since it was introduced, and by an order of magnitude since 2010. Nuclear fans could only dream of this rate of improvement. Nuclear doesn't work in the sense of being competitive. It's behind and falling farther behind with each passing day. The best time to have given up on nuclear was decades ago. The second best time is now.
- mpweiher 1y ago
  > Nuclear fans could only dream of this rate of improvement. Nuclear doesn't need this rate of improvement, because it was always cheap. > Nuclear doesn't work in the sense of being competitive. Empirically false. Also: if it weren't competitive, Germany wouldn't have had to outlaw nuclear, it just would have disappeared on its own. > The best time to have given up on nuclear was decades ago. Your incorrect and unsubstantiated opinion is not shared by the rest of the world.
mastermage 1y ago
When you have to build Nuclear Reactors then this is not now. The avg. building time of Nuclear Reactors is 9-12 Years.
- mpweiher 1y ago
  6.5 years. https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/nuclear-construction-time https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/nuclear-constructi...
  - mastermage 1y ago
    I am counting delays that are always occuring. There is only two reactor blocks that I know that didn't have delays in recent years. These are build times for just single Reactor Blocks, in 2020 to 2022. https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/IMG/pdf/wnisr2023-v5.pdf#page=64 https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/IMG/pdf/wnisr2023-v5.pdf#... Real examples in the last years: Olkiluoto 3 - 17 Years SHIDAO BAY-1 - 9 Years Flammanvill-3 - 17 Years VOGTLE-4 - 11 Years FANGCHENGGANG-4 - 8 Years RAJASTHAN-7 - 14 Years
    - mpweiher 1y ago
      No you are cherry picking specific examples that fit your incorrect claim. 6.5 years is the current average.
- account42 1y ago
  Even more reason to start now.

pfdietz 1y ago

PV has improved in cost/W by nearly three orders of magnitude since it was introduced, and by an order of magnitude since 2010. Nuclear fans could only dream of this rate of improvement. Nuclear doesn't work in the sense of being competitive. It's behind and falling farther behind with each passing day. The best time to have given up on nuclear was decades ago. The second best time is now.

mpweiher 1y ago
> Nuclear fans could only dream of this rate of improvement. Nuclear doesn't need this rate of improvement, because it was always cheap. > Nuclear doesn't work in the sense of being competitive. Empirically false. Also: if it weren't competitive, Germany wouldn't have had to outlaw nuclear, it just would have disappeared on its own. > The best time to have given up on nuclear was decades ago. Your incorrect and unsubstantiated opinion is not shared by the rest of the world.

mastermage 1y ago

When you have to build Nuclear Reactors then this is not now. The avg. building time of Nuclear Reactors is 9-12 Years.

mpweiher 1y ago
6.5 years. https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/nuclear-construction-time https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/nuclear-constructi...
- mastermage 1y ago
  I am counting delays that are always occuring. There is only two reactor blocks that I know that didn't have delays in recent years. These are build times for just single Reactor Blocks, in 2020 to 2022. https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/IMG/pdf/wnisr2023-v5.pdf#page=64 https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/IMG/pdf/wnisr2023-v5.pdf#... Real examples in the last years: Olkiluoto 3 - 17 Years SHIDAO BAY-1 - 9 Years Flammanvill-3 - 17 Years VOGTLE-4 - 11 Years FANGCHENGGANG-4 - 8 Years RAJASTHAN-7 - 14 Years
  - mpweiher 1y ago
    No you are cherry picking specific examples that fit your incorrect claim. 6.5 years is the current average.
account42 1y ago
Even more reason to start now.