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Has there been any work for something post Unix 03?

by ksec 1y ago

quink 1y ago
I may have mentioned on occasion, here or there, about how ludicrous it is that there appears to be no well-defined standard that user space shall have sqlite3 and git and gzip. So, for all intents and purposes, nothing that would be relevant in any reasonable end-user way in 2025. It’s all just: here’s defaults and here’s scripts to set up your environment and here’s a dozen things to run brew with. But no standard.
- Pesthuf 1y ago
  I wish jq would be in the posix standard. JSON is EVERYWHERE nowadays. A system that can’t parse it is incomplete. Not having a standard way to write a script that does it and works across *nixes is a mistake.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  C17 support is required in latest standard.
  - quink 1y ago
    I'm not even talking about compilers though... all I want is a baseline standard that I can point to and say: "Here. This right here is where it says that 'curl' and 'wget' shall be available and in $PATH." And some simple command for any Linux distro or macOS to install everything necessary to adhere to that standard, or a distro that conforms with that standard in the first place.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      That is "Shell & Utilities", however curl and wget haven't yet gotten POSIX status. https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/idx/utilities.html https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/idx/utiliti...
Pet_Ant 1y ago
Yes, there is "UNIX V7" in 2013... which apparently only IBM's AIX supports. This is ironic because the whole idea of UNIX is to create a common platform for interoperability, but only one platform actually supports. I really wonder why Apple just doesn't put a couple of FTEs on it and upgrade to V7. I'm sure it wouldn't take much. But it sort of reminds me of Java and HTML where there were standards to allow for independent implementations, but have collapsed to single implementations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Compliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Comp...
- badgersnake 1y ago
  Solaris did support it, I guess it was more relevant when there were multiple vendors
oldpersonintx2 1y ago
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Has there been any work for something post Unix 03?

by ksec 1y ago

Has there been any work for something post Unix 03?

I may have mentioned on occasion, here or there, about how ludicrous it is that there appears to be no well-defined standard that user space shall have sqlite3 and git and gzip. So, for all intents and purposes, nothing that would be relevant in any reasonable end-user way in 2025. It’s all just: here’s defaults and here’s scripts to set up your environment and here’s a dozen things to run brew with. But no standard.

Pesthuf 1y ago
I wish jq would be in the posix standard. JSON is EVERYWHERE nowadays. A system that can’t parse it is incomplete. Not having a standard way to write a script that does it and works across *nixes is a mistake.
pjmlp 1y ago
C17 support is required in latest standard.
- quink 1y ago
  I'm not even talking about compilers though... all I want is a baseline standard that I can point to and say: "Here. This right here is where it says that 'curl' and 'wget' shall be available and in $PATH." And some simple command for any Linux distro or macOS to install everything necessary to adhere to that standard, or a distro that conforms with that standard in the first place.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    That is "Shell & Utilities", however curl and wget haven't yet gotten POSIX status. https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/idx/utilities.html https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/idx/utiliti...

Pet_Ant 1y ago

Yes, there is "UNIX V7" in 2013... which apparently only IBM's AIX supports. This is ironic because the whole idea of UNIX is to create a common platform for interoperability, but only one platform actually supports. I really wonder why Apple just doesn't put a couple of FTEs on it and upgrade to V7. I'm sure it wouldn't take much. But it sort of reminds me of Java and HTML where there were standards to allow for independent implementations, but have collapsed to single implementations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Compliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Comp...

badgersnake 1y ago
Solaris did support it, I guess it was more relevant when there were multiple vendors

oldpersonintx2 1y ago

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