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Wow, very nice project. The ones in Zürich are not actually metro stations. They where built to be, but then the city voted against a metro. The stations that

Wow, very nice project. The ones in Zürich are not actually metro stations. They where built to be, but then the city voted against a metro. The stations that were already built were converted into tram stations. There where some complications like that fact the the tram is almost too tall to fit. The pantograph is almost fully compressed when the tram enters the tunnel. The trams also switch to the left side as the doors are only one side. [1] https://cdn.dreso.com/fileadmin/_processed_/0/3/csm_Tierspital_final_3000X1680_web_2599de9f1f.webp https://cdn.dreso.com/fileadmin/_processed_/0/3/csm_Tierspit... [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramtunnel_Milchbuck%E2%80%93Schwamendingen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramtunnel_Milchbuck%E2%80%93S... [DE] EDIT: spelling

shlip 1y ago
I think you meant a pantograph instead of a photograph ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_(transport) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_(transport)
- sschueller 1y ago
  Yes, it got autocorrected. Thanks
rsynnott 1y ago
> The trams also switch to the left side as the doors are only one side. ... Wait, what? That seems like a serious false economy...
- fredoralive 1y ago
  Buses also have the doors only on one side usually, if you're just running trams on the surface in traffic you'll probably only need them on the pavement side of the vehicle. It's just got weird in this case the assumption the choice was made on changed after they already had a fleet.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    Feels like you're limiting your options quite significantly, though. It's not just underground; elevated trams will often have island stops, and even street-level ones do sometimes.
- nemetroid 1y ago
  Same in Gothenburg. There's a single underground station, with the platform in the middle, so the trams need to cross over. Another underground station is planned, but it will have the tracks in the middle instead.
- hamdingers 1y ago
  A set of crossovers has a high upfront cost, but compare to the added seating capacity on every tram car every day for decades and it doesn't seem so bad.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  You might think you could just have trams with doors on both sides, but the geometry isn't expandable, so you're really just trading capacity. The station needs to be built anyway, so the costs of building the tracks differently isn't that high.
rwmj 1y ago
I'd love to know why you'd vote against having a metro.
- joshvm 1y ago
  Zurich does pretty well with light rail, trams and buses. Public transport is very good there. Two more reasons are that the city isn't that big, so you're in easy walking distance of some sort of connection, and the terrain isn't ideal. A good chunk of the population live up steep hills which are well-served by the tram system. The airport is also very well-connected by bus/tram/rail, and only 10-15 minutes to the centre. That said, I would have loved to see HBf on this website.
  - coderatlarge 1y ago
    i remember visiting zurich once and standing at a light rail station when the next train was one minute overdue and all the people waiting were looking at their watches in total disbelief and consternation. warms my sla-minded heart :)
  - izacus 1y ago
    One of the most mind blowing things for me was seeing that river Sihl flows through Hbf between the tracks.
    - murermader 1y ago
      Can you explain where? Which tracks? I have seen this comment on Reddit a few months ago, and some people were talking about it. They came to the conclusion that you cannot see the Sihl.
      - sschueller 1y ago
        It's between the underground tracks of Bahnhof Löwenstrasse and the above ground: [1] There are a lot of little neat things. For example the elevators go sideways [2] because the platform in the underground Bahnhof is wider (this is due to safety regulations etc.) [3] BTW, what is marked as Stadttunnel in [1] is the new bike tunnel [4] which has actually been there for many years as it was supposed to be a highway tunnel but was never opened (built many, many years ago). [1] https://img.nzz.ch/2014/05/30/1.18312867.1401474596.jpg https://img.nzz.ch/2014/05/30/1.18312867.1401474596.jpg [2] https://www.standseilbahnen.ch/images/8000/8000.06-zuerich-hauptbahnhof-gleis-31-32-2.jpg https://www.standseilbahnen.ch/images/8000/8000.06-zuerich-h... [3] https://implenia.com/fileadmin/implenia.com/referenzen/durchmesserlinie_los_2/1_Durchmesserlinie_Los_2.png https://implenia.com/fileadmin/implenia.com/referenzen/durch... [4] https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/dam/web/de/mobilitaet/velo/veloprojekte/stadttunnel/stadttunnel-titelbild-neu.jpg https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/dam/web/de/mobilitaet/v...
izacus 1y ago
Huh, I wondered why Tierspital station is so strange. TIL!

shlip 1y ago

I think you meant a pantograph instead of a photograph ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_(transport) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_(transport)

sschueller 1y ago
Yes, it got autocorrected. Thanks

rsynnott 1y ago

> The trams also switch to the left side as the doors are only one side. ... Wait, what? That seems like a serious false economy...

fredoralive 1y ago
Buses also have the doors only on one side usually, if you're just running trams on the surface in traffic you'll probably only need them on the pavement side of the vehicle. It's just got weird in this case the assumption the choice was made on changed after they already had a fleet.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  Feels like you're limiting your options quite significantly, though. It's not just underground; elevated trams will often have island stops, and even street-level ones do sometimes.
nemetroid 1y ago
Same in Gothenburg. There's a single underground station, with the platform in the middle, so the trams need to cross over. Another underground station is planned, but it will have the tracks in the middle instead.
hamdingers 1y ago
A set of crossovers has a high upfront cost, but compare to the added seating capacity on every tram car every day for decades and it doesn't seem so bad.
1718627440 1y ago
You might think you could just have trams with doors on both sides, but the geometry isn't expandable, so you're really just trading capacity. The station needs to be built anyway, so the costs of building the tracks differently isn't that high.

rwmj 1y ago

I'd love to know why you'd vote against having a metro.

joshvm 1y ago
Zurich does pretty well with light rail, trams and buses. Public transport is very good there. Two more reasons are that the city isn't that big, so you're in easy walking distance of some sort of connection, and the terrain isn't ideal. A good chunk of the population live up steep hills which are well-served by the tram system. The airport is also very well-connected by bus/tram/rail, and only 10-15 minutes to the centre. That said, I would have loved to see HBf on this website.
- coderatlarge 1y ago
  i remember visiting zurich once and standing at a light rail station when the next train was one minute overdue and all the people waiting were looking at their watches in total disbelief and consternation. warms my sla-minded heart :)
- izacus 1y ago
  One of the most mind blowing things for me was seeing that river Sihl flows through Hbf between the tracks.
  - murermader 1y ago
    Can you explain where? Which tracks? I have seen this comment on Reddit a few months ago, and some people were talking about it. They came to the conclusion that you cannot see the Sihl.
    - sschueller 1y ago
      It's between the underground tracks of Bahnhof Löwenstrasse and the above ground: [1] There are a lot of little neat things. For example the elevators go sideways [2] because the platform in the underground Bahnhof is wider (this is due to safety regulations etc.) [3] BTW, what is marked as Stadttunnel in [1] is the new bike tunnel [4] which has actually been there for many years as it was supposed to be a highway tunnel but was never opened (built many, many years ago). [1] https://img.nzz.ch/2014/05/30/1.18312867.1401474596.jpg https://img.nzz.ch/2014/05/30/1.18312867.1401474596.jpg [2] https://www.standseilbahnen.ch/images/8000/8000.06-zuerich-hauptbahnhof-gleis-31-32-2.jpg https://www.standseilbahnen.ch/images/8000/8000.06-zuerich-h... [3] https://implenia.com/fileadmin/implenia.com/referenzen/durchmesserlinie_los_2/1_Durchmesserlinie_Los_2.png https://implenia.com/fileadmin/implenia.com/referenzen/durch... [4] https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/dam/web/de/mobilitaet/velo/veloprojekte/stadttunnel/stadttunnel-titelbild-neu.jpg https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/dam/web/de/mobilitaet/v...

izacus 1y ago

Huh, I wondered why Tierspital station is so strange. TIL!