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I think you're making disingenuous arguments, which is why I attributed it to ideology. But you're correct, this just started off with a casual comment from me,

I think you're making disingenuous arguments, which is why I attributed it to ideology. But you're correct, this just started off with a casual comment from me, so I don't think I should be going into that territory, apologies.

nailer 1y ago
Thanks for the apology, I assure you I absolutely believe what I write. I’m not sure if I have an answer one way or the other - I’d like it if I could buy milk in NY without someone threatening violence, and don’t think it’s right for jihadists to stand in the middle of London saying they’ll kill all the jews without the police doing anything, but I also don’t want to live somewhere where someone snaps and they have access to an automatic weapon.
- munksbeer 1y ago
  > Thanks for the apology, I assure you I absolutely believe what I write. That the US is safer than other places because it has guns? I guess you can sincerely believe that, but the facts say something else.
  - nailer 1y ago
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  - johnisgood 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... Check out both tables and you will see that the facts do not say what you think they say, at all. Homicide rates by firearm per 100,000 inhabitants (2017): Jamaica - 47.857 United States - 3.342 Serbia - 0.415 Ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population (2017): Jamaica - 8.8 United States - 120.5 Serbia - 39.1 Those are just to compare three countries, but you will see a similar trend for all other countries. It shows that Serbia has loads of guns, yet barely any firearm-related homicides, whereas Jamaica has much less guns, yet homicide rates by firearm are way higher than the US. Thus, the statement that "More guns -> More gun-related violence" is evidently false.

nailer 1y ago

Thanks for the apology, I assure you I absolutely believe what I write. I’m not sure if I have an answer one way or the other - I’d like it if I could buy milk in NY without someone threatening violence, and don’t think it’s right for jihadists to stand in the middle of London saying they’ll kill all the jews without the police doing anything, but I also don’t want to live somewhere where someone snaps and they have access to an automatic weapon.

munksbeer 1y ago
> Thanks for the apology, I assure you I absolutely believe what I write. That the US is safer than other places because it has guns? I guess you can sincerely believe that, but the facts say something else.
- nailer 1y ago
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- johnisgood 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... Check out both tables and you will see that the facts do not say what you think they say, at all. Homicide rates by firearm per 100,000 inhabitants (2017): Jamaica - 47.857 United States - 3.342 Serbia - 0.415 Ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population (2017): Jamaica - 8.8 United States - 120.5 Serbia - 39.1 Those are just to compare three countries, but you will see a similar trend for all other countries. It shows that Serbia has loads of guns, yet barely any firearm-related homicides, whereas Jamaica has much less guns, yet homicide rates by firearm are way higher than the US. Thus, the statement that "More guns -> More gun-related violence" is evidently false.