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This is terrible, but luckily we have a large and robust network of free speech activists who've spent years organizing against "Cancel Culture" and defending p

This is terrible, but luckily we have a large and robust network of free speech activists who've spent years organizing against "Cancel Culture" and defending people from getting fired for controversial views. I'm sure they'll spring into action and defend these poor folks. Let's check in on how they're doing...

mythrwy 1y ago
For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action, the repercussions should probably stay on social media in my view.
- lisbbb 1y ago
  Turnabout is fair play, it's not hypocrisy, it's actually resentment.
  - LocalH 1y ago
    Whatever happened to "be the better man". Stoop to the perceived level of your worst enemy and you're just like you perceive them to be. Kirk shouldn't have died. But he also didn't say very nice things about people who aren't white males. There's a difference between celebrating his death and merely saying "he wasn't a very nice person unless you were white and male". Unfortunately, those two are being conflated. The very first listing on "charliesmurderers.com" is a woman who states in her tweet "I don't believe violence is ever the answer. It just makes everything worse" and "I hope Charlie survives", in response to those taking issue with her worrying that some further far-right Kirk followers might see this as an opportunity for "revenge". She did not champion his death. She didn't celebrate it. She just raised a point. Unfortunately, he was killed by someone who didn't think he was as far right as they wanted. Ever heard of a "groyper"?
    - cncjchsue7 1y ago
      > But he also didn't say very nice things about people who aren't white males. I'm so sick of hearing this. Please prove it. Show me one damn clip.
      - dudefeliciano 1y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk...
        cncjchsue7 1y ago
        Well, reading all that was a waste of time. He didn't say anything controversial there at all. You're suffering from ideological capture if you read that and see a problem.
    - bruceb 1y ago
      We don't know the motivation of the killer. Seems best to wait before inventing a motive.
      - NekkoDroid 1y ago
        > Seems best to wait before inventing a motive. Is there any actual reliable source for this other than a statement from someone that amounts to "I don't know, but wouldn't surprise me"?
    - immibis 1y ago
      > Whatever happened to "be the better man" It didn't work. People are now trying things that work.
    - ingsoc79 1y ago
      Seems unlikely that a Christian nationalist would be roommates with a trans person, no?
  - mythrwy 1y ago
    An eye for an eye eventually leaves the entire world blind. Better we just act out of principals of liberty and charity in my opinion.
- sniffers 1y ago
  The thing to remember is that no one cares about hypocrisy. The people in power least of all. It's a classic authoritarian move to condemn something they engage in, because the authoritarian doesn't care about doing the right thing, they care about eradicating people whose will resist them in any way. You will see capital L Liberals complaining about hypocrisy the whole time the autocrats rise to power, completely missing the point that hypocrisy doesn't matter. There's no scoreboard out there that says, opponent was hypocritical, automatic loss.
LocalH 1y ago
Musk claimed he'd pay to legally defend anyone who was fired from their job for viewpoints on this. I'm waiting for him to fail to defend anyone who isn't his brand of right-wing
- HKH2 1y ago
  The key word that you've missed is 'unfairly'.

mythrwy 1y ago

For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action, the repercussions should probably stay on social media in my view.

lisbbb 1y ago
Turnabout is fair play, it's not hypocrisy, it's actually resentment.
- LocalH 1y ago
  Whatever happened to "be the better man". Stoop to the perceived level of your worst enemy and you're just like you perceive them to be. Kirk shouldn't have died. But he also didn't say very nice things about people who aren't white males. There's a difference between celebrating his death and merely saying "he wasn't a very nice person unless you were white and male". Unfortunately, those two are being conflated. The very first listing on "charliesmurderers.com" is a woman who states in her tweet "I don't believe violence is ever the answer. It just makes everything worse" and "I hope Charlie survives", in response to those taking issue with her worrying that some further far-right Kirk followers might see this as an opportunity for "revenge". She did not champion his death. She didn't celebrate it. She just raised a point. Unfortunately, he was killed by someone who didn't think he was as far right as they wanted. Ever heard of a "groyper"?
  - cncjchsue7 1y ago
    > But he also didn't say very nice things about people who aren't white males. I'm so sick of hearing this. Please prove it. Show me one damn clip.
    - dudefeliciano 1y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk...
      - cncjchsue7 1y ago
        Well, reading all that was a waste of time. He didn't say anything controversial there at all. You're suffering from ideological capture if you read that and see a problem.
  - bruceb 1y ago
    We don't know the motivation of the killer. Seems best to wait before inventing a motive.
    - NekkoDroid 1y ago
      > Seems best to wait before inventing a motive. Is there any actual reliable source for this other than a statement from someone that amounts to "I don't know, but wouldn't surprise me"?
  - immibis 1y ago
    > Whatever happened to "be the better man" It didn't work. People are now trying things that work.
  - ingsoc79 1y ago
    Seems unlikely that a Christian nationalist would be roommates with a trans person, no?
- mythrwy 1y ago
  An eye for an eye eventually leaves the entire world blind. Better we just act out of principals of liberty and charity in my opinion.
sniffers 1y ago
The thing to remember is that no one cares about hypocrisy. The people in power least of all. It's a classic authoritarian move to condemn something they engage in, because the authoritarian doesn't care about doing the right thing, they care about eradicating people whose will resist them in any way. You will see capital L Liberals complaining about hypocrisy the whole time the autocrats rise to power, completely missing the point that hypocrisy doesn't matter. There's no scoreboard out there that says, opponent was hypocritical, automatic loss.

LocalH 1y ago

Musk claimed he'd pay to legally defend anyone who was fired from their job for viewpoints on this. I'm waiting for him to fail to defend anyone who isn't his brand of right-wing

HKH2 1y ago
The key word that you've missed is 'unfairly'.