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Except there weren't really any mass harassment, rape and death threat, and firing campaigns being coordinated against ordinary people for not sufficiently mour

Except there weren't really any mass harassment, rape and death threat, and firing campaigns being coordinated against ordinary people for not sufficiently mourning someone. Most of the "cancel culture" stuff was overblown nonsense, the few real events were against massive public figures credibly accused of heinous things like Weinstein. Pretending this is in any way equivalent betrays either an intense naivete or a supporter of this pre-pogrom behavior.

TrnsltLife 1y ago
What about the stuff around George Floyd. Weren't people accosted and forced to kneel down and repent? e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664345/Aggressive-crowd-BLM-protesters-accost-white-diners-outside-DC-restaurants.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664345/Aggressive-... https://twitter.com/i/status/1267283980514201610 https://twitter.com/i/status/1267283980514201610 https://twitter.com/i/status/1269043437275435016 https://twitter.com/i/status/1269043437275435016 Etc. Maybe some of them knelt voluntarily. But what would have happened if they hadn't. To me at the time there seemed to be a lot of social pressure to "kneel" and accept the narrative and the will of the mob.
zahlman 1y ago
I fear I've been misunderstood, or at least over-interpreted. > mass harassment, rape and death threat From what I've seen (and notwithstanding the claims in TFA, which are unsupported by evidence other than allegations), these things aren't happening this time either, and the voices organizing the firing campaigns are against them. In particular, Ms. Gilmore's story cannot be reconciled with the evidence available to me. I have in some places seen dehumanizing rhetoric. This is of course still not okay, but it clearly comes from a place of genuine hurt. Also, my standard objection here: telling people that you hope a terrible thing happens to them is not acceptable, but it is also objectively not a "threat", and it bothers me when it's falsely characterized that way. > for not sufficiently mourning someone This is not a reasonable representation of the cause of action. We're talking about people who outright celebrate Kirk's death or insinuate that it was somehow deserved. > Most of the "cancel culture" stuff was overblown nonsense, the few real events were against massive public figures credibly accused of heinous things like Weinstein. Strongly disagree. Matt Rose, James Damore, the list goes on and on (but I've left behind the days when I kept track in any serious way). > Pretending this is in any way equivalent betrays I feel much the same about people who equate a guy getting killed for his political beliefs with people losing their job for expressing ideology that can reasonably be considered incompatible with doing the job. (I'm sure there are people outside the professions I mentioned in the other thread getting targeted. As I already said, I oppose that.)

TrnsltLife 1y ago

What about the stuff around George Floyd. Weren't people accosted and forced to kneel down and repent? e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664345/Aggressive-crowd-BLM-protesters-accost-white-diners-outside-DC-restaurants.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664345/Aggressive-... https://twitter.com/i/status/1267283980514201610 https://twitter.com/i/status/1267283980514201610 https://twitter.com/i/status/1269043437275435016 https://twitter.com/i/status/1269043437275435016 Etc. Maybe some of them knelt voluntarily. But what would have happened if they hadn't. To me at the time there seemed to be a lot of social pressure to "kneel" and accept the narrative and the will of the mob.

zahlman 1y ago

I fear I've been misunderstood, or at least over-interpreted. > mass harassment, rape and death threat From what I've seen (and notwithstanding the claims in TFA, which are unsupported by evidence other than allegations), these things aren't happening this time either, and the voices organizing the firing campaigns are against them. In particular, Ms. Gilmore's story cannot be reconciled with the evidence available to me. I have in some places seen dehumanizing rhetoric. This is of course still not okay, but it clearly comes from a place of genuine hurt. Also, my standard objection here: telling people that you hope a terrible thing happens to them is not acceptable, but it is also objectively not a "threat", and it bothers me when it's falsely characterized that way. > for not sufficiently mourning someone This is not a reasonable representation of the cause of action. We're talking about people who outright celebrate Kirk's death or insinuate that it was somehow deserved. > Most of the "cancel culture" stuff was overblown nonsense, the few real events were against massive public figures credibly accused of heinous things like Weinstein. Strongly disagree. Matt Rose, James Damore, the list goes on and on (but I've left behind the days when I kept track in any serious way). > Pretending this is in any way equivalent betrays I feel much the same about people who equate a guy getting killed for his political beliefs with people losing their job for expressing ideology that can reasonably be considered incompatible with doing the job. (I'm sure there are people outside the professions I mentioned in the other thread getting targeted. As I already said, I oppose that.)