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Elon Musk calls for dissolution of parliament at far-right rally in London

41 points by breve 1y ago

burnt-resistor 1y ago
If anyone honest and rational needed additional proof beyond a "Roman" salute that certain billionaires aren't fans of democracy or were deftly able to manipulate white supremacists like US plantation owners did 2 centuries ago. History shows it always seems to end after another Civil or World War.
tastyface 1y ago
"You're in a fundamental situation here where, whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you," said Musk. "You either fight back or you die." Racist hate-monger.
- arp242 1y ago
  Pretty much every atrocity in history that I know of has included a framing of "we must defend ourselves against $evil_group, we have no choice, it's them or us". A framing of victimhood – whether real or not – and need of defence is always a big part of the justification of denying the rights, or even killing, of $evil_group. Maybe there are exceptions, but I'm not aware of them. The right-wing persecution complex is not a new phenomenon. Bill O'Reilly and the likes were constantly going on about it in the 90s, and Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority" – which more or less created the Christian Right – already had elements of it in the 80s. But this really takes things to a new level, and is at least potentially laying the groundwork for something rather ugly.
  - tastyface 1y ago
    What still shocks me — though maybe it shouldn’t at this point — is that the richest man in the world is seemingly an out-and-proud white supremacist, with direct personal and financial ties to far-right groups across numerous countries, and this barely gets a peep in the news or on HN whenever the latest Tesla/Grok/SpaceX press release is disseminated. In fact, mentions of this on HN are usually just flagged and killed, as if it’s somehow irrelevant. As far as I’m concerned, every single Musk-related article should be prefaced with "and just as a reminder, the owner of this product is a (no longer closeted) white supremacist who spends his free time promoting things like remigration and taking down the 'liberal state' by violent force."
    - arp242 1y ago
      Yeah, I don't really get that either, especially since Musk is still so involved in these companies. But Musk is hardly a unique case, and his racism is just part of the "Make Racism Great Again" movement that has, especially over the last year or so, become exceedingly explicit. You can see this here on HN as well. Or maybe it's more "Make 1820s Great Again" movement, because also from today: "Women’s suffrage is apparently up for debate again in America" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/13/womens-suffrage-week-in-patriarchy https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/13/womens...
giuliomagnifico 1y ago
But why would Musk care about English politics? (And after his experience in the US politics…)
- shoshino 1y ago
  Same reason he does anything, he sees opporuntity (to make more money and keep more of it)
- foldr 1y ago
  You could ask the same thing about HN in general. There’s an interest in the UK that’s disproportionate to the country’s global influence or to the number of British HNers. As best I can understand, a particular negative outlook on the UK has become central to certain currents of right wing thought in the US. I suppose it’s convenient to paint a one-sided picture of the UK for the purposes of political rhetoric, as most of the audience won’t have the first hand knowledge required to evaluate it critically.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Transnational political platforming, intervention, and support of extremists terrorists to takeover social democracies and replace them the ideological, totalitarian regimes friendly to North Korea, China, and Russia by twisting populist ethno-nationalist sentiment into essentially absolute power for a small subset of the ultra rich. The fundamental, hubristic miscalculation is that it's impossible to fool all of the people all of the time.
- sidibe 1y ago
  I think that he wrongly believes, because of his self-created social media bubble, that there's a like-minded majority of people everywhere who want white people back on top of a hierarchy, and if he can just tip things a little bit he can make it happen and he be a great hero for leading it. I hate to point to people's family but since he has seemingly doubled down on their views I think it's ok to point out his grandparents were pro-Nazi in Canada and moved to South Africa BECAUSE OF apartheid. It's not surprising if he was raised with some strange extreme views
tim333 1y ago
I wish Musk wouldn't meddle in politics. He's not very good at it.
- mouse_ 1y ago
  He's Forbes' #1, he won...
  - tim333 1y ago
    He got that before getting political though.
0xy 1y ago
The UK is arresting people for social media posts at a staggering rate, and has long given up on free speech as policy. Additionally, the UK Labour party sent staffers to the US to campaign for the US Democrats, a blatantly illegal interference in US politics. The UK is no longer a functioning democracy but more like a failed state clinging to mass censorship while trying to prevent complete collapse. For these reasons there should be a political change.
- foldr 1y ago
  I guess our version of ‘mass censorship’ is to allow 150,000 people to protest in our capital city while calling for the violent overthrow of the present government.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  there was a political change in the UK - much needed one - at recent election :)
- MilnerRoute 1y ago
  > There should be a political change. Would it help if the UK left the European Union?
  - cjbenedikt 1y ago
    You are joking, correct? BREXIT?
  - 0xy 1y ago
    Brits voted to leave the EU to course correct on immigration. Following the vote, immigration skyrocketed.
wmf 1y ago
Now Tesla sales can go down in yet another country.
abstractspoon 1y ago
What a goon

41 points by breve 1y ago

If anyone honest and rational needed additional proof beyond a "Roman" salute that certain billionaires aren't fans of democracy or were deftly able to manipulate white supremacists like US plantation owners did 2 centuries ago. History shows it always seems to end after another Civil or World War.

tastyface 1y ago

"You're in a fundamental situation here where, whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you," said Musk. "You either fight back or you die." Racist hate-monger.

arp242 1y ago
Pretty much every atrocity in history that I know of has included a framing of "we must defend ourselves against $evil_group, we have no choice, it's them or us". A framing of victimhood – whether real or not – and need of defence is always a big part of the justification of denying the rights, or even killing, of $evil_group. Maybe there are exceptions, but I'm not aware of them. The right-wing persecution complex is not a new phenomenon. Bill O'Reilly and the likes were constantly going on about it in the 90s, and Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority" – which more or less created the Christian Right – already had elements of it in the 80s. But this really takes things to a new level, and is at least potentially laying the groundwork for something rather ugly.
- tastyface 1y ago
  What still shocks me — though maybe it shouldn’t at this point — is that the richest man in the world is seemingly an out-and-proud white supremacist, with direct personal and financial ties to far-right groups across numerous countries, and this barely gets a peep in the news or on HN whenever the latest Tesla/Grok/SpaceX press release is disseminated. In fact, mentions of this on HN are usually just flagged and killed, as if it’s somehow irrelevant. As far as I’m concerned, every single Musk-related article should be prefaced with "and just as a reminder, the owner of this product is a (no longer closeted) white supremacist who spends his free time promoting things like remigration and taking down the 'liberal state' by violent force."
  - arp242 1y ago
    Yeah, I don't really get that either, especially since Musk is still so involved in these companies. But Musk is hardly a unique case, and his racism is just part of the "Make Racism Great Again" movement that has, especially over the last year or so, become exceedingly explicit. You can see this here on HN as well. Or maybe it's more "Make 1820s Great Again" movement, because also from today: "Women’s suffrage is apparently up for debate again in America" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/13/womens-suffrage-week-in-patriarchy https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/13/womens...

giuliomagnifico 1y ago

But why would Musk care about English politics? (And after his experience in the US politics…)

shoshino 1y ago
Same reason he does anything, he sees opporuntity (to make more money and keep more of it)
foldr 1y ago
You could ask the same thing about HN in general. There’s an interest in the UK that’s disproportionate to the country’s global influence or to the number of British HNers. As best I can understand, a particular negative outlook on the UK has become central to certain currents of right wing thought in the US. I suppose it’s convenient to paint a one-sided picture of the UK for the purposes of political rhetoric, as most of the audience won’t have the first hand knowledge required to evaluate it critically.
burnt-resistor 1y ago
Transnational political platforming, intervention, and support of extremists terrorists to takeover social democracies and replace them the ideological, totalitarian regimes friendly to North Korea, China, and Russia by twisting populist ethno-nationalist sentiment into essentially absolute power for a small subset of the ultra rich. The fundamental, hubristic miscalculation is that it's impossible to fool all of the people all of the time.
sidibe 1y ago
I think that he wrongly believes, because of his self-created social media bubble, that there's a like-minded majority of people everywhere who want white people back on top of a hierarchy, and if he can just tip things a little bit he can make it happen and he be a great hero for leading it. I hate to point to people's family but since he has seemingly doubled down on their views I think it's ok to point out his grandparents were pro-Nazi in Canada and moved to South Africa BECAUSE OF apartheid. It's not surprising if he was raised with some strange extreme views

tim333 1y ago

I wish Musk wouldn't meddle in politics. He's not very good at it.

mouse_ 1y ago
He's Forbes' #1, he won...
- tim333 1y ago
  He got that before getting political though.

0xy 1y ago

The UK is arresting people for social media posts at a staggering rate, and has long given up on free speech as policy. Additionally, the UK Labour party sent staffers to the US to campaign for the US Democrats, a blatantly illegal interference in US politics. The UK is no longer a functioning democracy but more like a failed state clinging to mass censorship while trying to prevent complete collapse. For these reasons there should be a political change.

foldr 1y ago
I guess our version of ‘mass censorship’ is to allow 150,000 people to protest in our capital city while calling for the violent overthrow of the present government.
bdangubic 1y ago
there was a political change in the UK - much needed one - at recent election :)
MilnerRoute 1y ago
> There should be a political change. Would it help if the UK left the European Union?
- cjbenedikt 1y ago
  You are joking, correct? BREXIT?
- 0xy 1y ago
  Brits voted to leave the EU to course correct on immigration. Following the vote, immigration skyrocketed.

wmf 1y ago

Now Tesla sales can go down in yet another country.

abstractspoon 1y ago

What a goon