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Turgot Map of Paris

68 points by Michelangelo11 1y ago

NoiseBert69 1y ago
That 40kpx x 40kpx scan (800 Megabyte) of that map broke my system. Wow.
- bullen 1y ago
  I just downloaded and thought maybe 80MB... why is it taking so long... hm Edit: Made a 30MB png with linear interpolation (because I don't have all day): http://move.rupy.se/file/turgot.png http://move.rupy.se/file/turgot.png Here's another map of Paris (this time with interpolation): http://move.rupy.se/file/eau_paris_3.png http://move.rupy.se/file/eau_paris_3.png
cadre_78 1y ago
This map is impressive!
cm2187 1y ago
The parisians will appreciate the countryside starting at the gates of the jardin des tuileries (which by the way is how it is depicted in the game Assassin's Creed Unity, which is a below average game but gives you way to walk freely in a Paris under the revolution, and view many buildings and monuments that have since been destroyed).
- divbzero 1y ago
  I noticed the same. At the time, the Louvre Palace was near the western end of Paris, similar to how the Palace of Westminster was near the western end of London.
  - lqet 1y ago
    Also, the northern wing of the Louvre and most of today's Place du Louvre and Place du Carrousel were still several residential blocks back then. And the Palais des Tuileries (burned down by the Paris Commune in the 1870ies) was still standing...
irrational 1y ago
It reminds me of the game MicroMacro https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/318977/micromacro-crime-city https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/318977/micromacro-crime-... https://boardgamegeek.com/image/7774293/micromacro-crime-city-bonus-box https://boardgamegeek.com/image/7774293/micromacro-crime-cit...
lqet 1y ago
I printed a 1.5 meter version of this map 10 years ago, it still looks beautiful on my living room wall.
sedawkgrep 1y ago
Why is the map apparently oriented with North facing Southeast?
- thrance 1y ago
  Probably so that what Parisians call the "rive droite" (lit. right shore) is effectively on the right-side of the map.
- a1rb4Ck 1y ago
  Medieval maps of Paris were oriented West-East, thus offering the best views of church facades! Note that this is a personal opinion shared as a child with my grandfather after years of family diner in front of his Truschet map. For sure, there is no connection with "rive-gauche" / "rive-droite", this expression is based on the flow of the Seine, here it would have been the opposite of the map. Medieval West-East maps on wiki (West on the top, North to the left): - 1530 Braun and Hogenberg engraved map [1] - 1550 Truschet and Hoyau engraved map [2] - 1615 Merian map [3] - also the 1370 Gough Map of Britain [4] [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Braun_et_Hogenberg https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Braun_et_Hogenberg [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Truschet_et_Hoyau https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Truschet_et_Hoyau [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merian_map_of_Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merian_map_of_Paris [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Map
red369 1y ago
I wasn't expecting to see so many tall buildings. Even out at the edge, where it turns to farms, and even the farmhouses themselves, the buildings are mostly 3 or 4 stories! At least, if I'm correctly interpreting each horizontal row of windows as a floor of the house. I've looked at few more areas, and I suppose a lot of the farmhouses are only 2 stories high. My expectations were based on places with a lot more land, and therefore sprawl (examples of what I'm thinking of below). I do realise that modern Paris is more built up than this, but I didn't realise it would be as close as it is. What I was expecting: https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20view%20of%20sydneys%20inner%20west%20suburbs https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20vi... Fairer comparisons: https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20view%20of%20paris%20suburbs https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20vi...
- sobiolite 1y ago
  I've noticed the same when looking at old Georgian and Victorian maps of London. You get these surprisingly sharp edges between urban and rural. You often have streets lined with quite grand buildings and nothing but fields behind them. It's quite strange when you're used to modern cities that gradually peter out into suburbs. My guess is it's because at this point the population of cities was growing quickly, but the large scale migration of farm laborers into them hadn't begun in earnest yet. So most of the housing being built at the edges was intended for the expanding merchant classes, who wanted something a bit more impressive, and who also had live in servants. The Georgian terraces of London are typically three or four storeys, with the top storey being rooms with low-ceilings where the servants lived.
  - qrios 1y ago
    It probably has more to do with different administrative areas. Cities used to have different rights. Cities could just not simply expand to external land. The reason was quite simple: the land belonged to someone else. Meanwhile, the city was independent, even if it was the capital of a kingdom (such as Paris, for example). In Vienna, for example, the city ended behind the belt. As a citizen, you could travel back and forth between the surrounding area and the city, but different laws applied (taxes, marriage, property). The Viennese enjoyed traveling to the surrounding countryside for leisure (winegrowers had to pay significantly less tax for serving their own products than innkeepers in the city), but the citizens did not want to live there, or there were strict regulations on moving in.
gaoryrt 1y ago
Seems like this guy died right before he publish his masterpiece, what a pity.
manu3000 1y ago
one can see the Bastille fortress!
haunter 1y ago
Zoomable HD version https://zoomviewer.toolforge.org/index.php?f=Turgot%20map%20of%20Paris%20-%20Norman%20B.%20Leventhal%20Map%20Center.jpg&flash=no https://zoomviewer.toolforge.org/index.php?f=Turgot%20map%20...

Turgot Map of Paris

NoiseBert69 1y ago

That 40kpx x 40kpx scan (800 Megabyte) of that map broke my system. Wow.

bullen 1y ago
I just downloaded and thought maybe 80MB... why is it taking so long... hm Edit: Made a 30MB png with linear interpolation (because I don't have all day): http://move.rupy.se/file/turgot.png http://move.rupy.se/file/turgot.png Here's another map of Paris (this time with interpolation): http://move.rupy.se/file/eau_paris_3.png http://move.rupy.se/file/eau_paris_3.png

cadre_78 1y ago

This map is impressive!

cm2187 1y ago

The parisians will appreciate the countryside starting at the gates of the jardin des tuileries (which by the way is how it is depicted in the game Assassin's Creed Unity, which is a below average game but gives you way to walk freely in a Paris under the revolution, and view many buildings and monuments that have since been destroyed).

divbzero 1y ago
I noticed the same. At the time, the Louvre Palace was near the western end of Paris, similar to how the Palace of Westminster was near the western end of London.
- lqet 1y ago
  Also, the northern wing of the Louvre and most of today's Place du Louvre and Place du Carrousel were still several residential blocks back then. And the Palais des Tuileries (burned down by the Paris Commune in the 1870ies) was still standing...

irrational 1y ago

It reminds me of the game MicroMacro https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/318977/micromacro-crime-city https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/318977/micromacro-crime-... https://boardgamegeek.com/image/7774293/micromacro-crime-city-bonus-box https://boardgamegeek.com/image/7774293/micromacro-crime-cit...

lqet 1y ago

I printed a 1.5 meter version of this map 10 years ago, it still looks beautiful on my living room wall.

sedawkgrep 1y ago

Why is the map apparently oriented with North facing Southeast?

thrance 1y ago
Probably so that what Parisians call the "rive droite" (lit. right shore) is effectively on the right-side of the map.
a1rb4Ck 1y ago
Medieval maps of Paris were oriented West-East, thus offering the best views of church facades! Note that this is a personal opinion shared as a child with my grandfather after years of family diner in front of his Truschet map. For sure, there is no connection with "rive-gauche" / "rive-droite", this expression is based on the flow of the Seine, here it would have been the opposite of the map. Medieval West-East maps on wiki (West on the top, North to the left): - 1530 Braun and Hogenberg engraved map [1] - 1550 Truschet and Hoyau engraved map [2] - 1615 Merian map [3] - also the 1370 Gough Map of Britain [4] [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Braun_et_Hogenberg https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Braun_et_Hogenberg [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Truschet_et_Hoyau https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_de_Truschet_et_Hoyau [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merian_map_of_Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merian_map_of_Paris [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Map

red369 1y ago

I wasn't expecting to see so many tall buildings. Even out at the edge, where it turns to farms, and even the farmhouses themselves, the buildings are mostly 3 or 4 stories! At least, if I'm correctly interpreting each horizontal row of windows as a floor of the house. I've looked at few more areas, and I suppose a lot of the farmhouses are only 2 stories high. My expectations were based on places with a lot more land, and therefore sprawl (examples of what I'm thinking of below). I do realise that modern Paris is more built up than this, but I didn't realise it would be as close as it is. What I was expecting: https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20view%20of%20sydneys%20inner%20west%20suburbs https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20vi... Fairer comparisons: https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20view%20of%20paris%20suburbs https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/film?phrase=aerial%20vi...

sobiolite 1y ago
I've noticed the same when looking at old Georgian and Victorian maps of London. You get these surprisingly sharp edges between urban and rural. You often have streets lined with quite grand buildings and nothing but fields behind them. It's quite strange when you're used to modern cities that gradually peter out into suburbs. My guess is it's because at this point the population of cities was growing quickly, but the large scale migration of farm laborers into them hadn't begun in earnest yet. So most of the housing being built at the edges was intended for the expanding merchant classes, who wanted something a bit more impressive, and who also had live in servants. The Georgian terraces of London are typically three or four storeys, with the top storey being rooms with low-ceilings where the servants lived.
- qrios 1y ago
  It probably has more to do with different administrative areas. Cities used to have different rights. Cities could just not simply expand to external land. The reason was quite simple: the land belonged to someone else. Meanwhile, the city was independent, even if it was the capital of a kingdom (such as Paris, for example). In Vienna, for example, the city ended behind the belt. As a citizen, you could travel back and forth between the surrounding area and the city, but different laws applied (taxes, marriage, property). The Viennese enjoyed traveling to the surrounding countryside for leisure (winegrowers had to pay significantly less tax for serving their own products than innkeepers in the city), but the citizens did not want to live there, or there were strict regulations on moving in.

gaoryrt 1y ago

Seems like this guy died right before he publish his masterpiece, what a pity.

manu3000 1y ago

one can see the Bastille fortress!

haunter 1y ago

Zoomable HD version https://zoomviewer.toolforge.org/index.php?f=Turgot%20map%20of%20Paris%20-%20Norman%20B.%20Leventhal%20Map%20Center.jpg&flash=no https://zoomviewer.toolforge.org/index.php?f=Turgot%20map%20...