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I see no reason whatsoever to believe that he had any such intent. He simply had strongly held opinions that you and others find disagreeable.

yepitwas 1y ago
His material’s all over the internet. So. May everyone go see for themselves.
- zahlman 1y ago
  I have spent considerable time doing this. None of it has given me any reason to believe he had the intent of inciting rage. The specific quotes people are spamming in these discussions especially don't convince me.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  > His material’s all over the internet. So. May everyone go see for themselves. Can you provide an example of his material where he incites rage? I am curious to see.
  - yepitwas 1y ago
    He promoted the “Great Replacement Theory” (a “fact” as he characterized it) which is plainly a violent-radicalizing notion, with a long violent-radicalizing history and recent examples of violence done in its name. He promoted 2020 election denial conspiracies. Moves to mess with due process for voting, or to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power (say, promoting coup attempts) are some of the gravest threats to peace possible in a democracy, as far as speech goes. Lying about such, is right up there. [edit] sources easily searchable if you have the topics, letting people pick their own works better if search turns them up pretty easily, that way there’s no worry that I’m choosing clips out of context or something.
    - reliabilityguy 1y ago
      > sources easily searchable if you have the topics, So, you made a claim. I asked you for an example of a material that you based your claim on, and instead of backing up your claim you are sending me to find a source that will prove it? > letting people pick their own works better if search turns them up pretty easily, that way there’s no worry that I’m choosing clips out of context or something. What is the source material, a video, or a text, that you based your claims on? Is there a chance that you actually never saw the source material yourself?
      - yepitwas 1y ago
        Actually all I did originally was note that it’s pretty easy to find primary sources in this case. If you don’t care, though, then don’t.
        reliabilityguy 1y ago
        Hm. I tried to google for "things that prove yepitwas' claims about Charlie Kirk", but nothing came up. I assume you never seen anything like that yourself, but rather read a tweet or two that claim that it happened, and you go off of it.
        yepitwas 1y ago
        It would have taken you a lot less time to type “Charlie Kirk great replacement theory fact” into a search box and find his own words than to post on here over and over pretending both to give a shit and like you don’t know how to use a search engine.
        reliabilityguy 1y ago
        > It would have taken you a lot less time to type “Charlie Kirk great replacement theory fact” into a search box It shows me a bunch of links to various websites. So, which one was the one that you've read/watched to inform your opinion?
  - mapontosevenths 1y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk... The are a dozen or so here.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > Kirk earned a living by intentionally inciting rage. The dividends of rage are violence, sadly. In what way do these quotes evidence deliberate incitement of rage?
jackstraw42 1y ago
you're still burying your head in the sand. you realize it too.
- zahlman 1y ago
  No. Many people have shown me reasons they think I should believe it. In every single case, it has been plain and obvious to me that it's nothing of the sort. Disagreeing with you is not avoiding anything. To "realize" something, it would have to be true.
  - jackstraw42 1y ago
    “Prove me wrong” Not going to engage, but you are absolutely burying your head in the sand, bud.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > Not going to engage Then commenting to repeat yourself is obnoxious and unproductive conduct. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
logicalmind 1y ago
Having strongly held opinion on who lives and who dies are petty heavy opinions one might say, correct? Like just pushing the opinion on whether Palestine should or should not be wiped out means that you are advocating for the lives/deaths of one group of people or another? I'm not saying people should necessarily die for their opinions. But it shouldn't come as a surprise that if your opinion, and the political policies you push for, literally result in the life or death of someone's family members, then those people may have very strong reactions to that. Like if there was an entire town of purple people and I went around saying I want all people purple people to be killed, should I be surprised if purple people might want to cause violence towards me? I mean, I'm just debating and using words, right? But those words an debates are literally about the lives and deaths of other people.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  > Like just pushing the opinion on whether Palestine should or should not be wiped out means that you are advocating for the lives/deaths of one group of people or another? Can you show me a video/article/blog post where he said that Palestinians should be wiped out? I would like to see/read it myself.
  - logicalmind 1y ago
    Are you looking for something where he literally says "wiped out"? Or are you looking for his stance that it doesn't and shouldn't exist? I'm not a follower of Charlie Kirk or his positions and I don't support any violence against him. However, finding his position on Israel and Palestine is a very simple google search away. You can hear it from his own mouth right here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOd0yN_jKVs/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOd0yN_jKVs/
    - reliabilityguy 1y ago
      How did this interaction end? Why do you show a short scene from a potentially long discussion? This one looks like a rage bait more than anything. Pretty equivalent to taking a phrase out of context, and then claiming whatever suits your narrative.

yepitwas 1y ago

His material’s all over the internet. So. May everyone go see for themselves.

zahlman 1y ago
I have spent considerable time doing this. None of it has given me any reason to believe he had the intent of inciting rage. The specific quotes people are spamming in these discussions especially don't convince me.
reliabilityguy 1y ago
> His material’s all over the internet. So. May everyone go see for themselves. Can you provide an example of his material where he incites rage? I am curious to see.
- yepitwas 1y ago
  He promoted the “Great Replacement Theory” (a “fact” as he characterized it) which is plainly a violent-radicalizing notion, with a long violent-radicalizing history and recent examples of violence done in its name. He promoted 2020 election denial conspiracies. Moves to mess with due process for voting, or to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power (say, promoting coup attempts) are some of the gravest threats to peace possible in a democracy, as far as speech goes. Lying about such, is right up there. [edit] sources easily searchable if you have the topics, letting people pick their own works better if search turns them up pretty easily, that way there’s no worry that I’m choosing clips out of context or something.
  - reliabilityguy 1y ago
    > sources easily searchable if you have the topics, So, you made a claim. I asked you for an example of a material that you based your claim on, and instead of backing up your claim you are sending me to find a source that will prove it? > letting people pick their own works better if search turns them up pretty easily, that way there’s no worry that I’m choosing clips out of context or something. What is the source material, a video, or a text, that you based your claims on? Is there a chance that you actually never saw the source material yourself?
    - yepitwas 1y ago
      Actually all I did originally was note that it’s pretty easy to find primary sources in this case. If you don’t care, though, then don’t.
      - reliabilityguy 1y ago
        Hm. I tried to google for "things that prove yepitwas' claims about Charlie Kirk", but nothing came up. I assume you never seen anything like that yourself, but rather read a tweet or two that claim that it happened, and you go off of it.
        yepitwas 1y ago
        It would have taken you a lot less time to type “Charlie Kirk great replacement theory fact” into a search box and find his own words than to post on here over and over pretending both to give a shit and like you don’t know how to use a search engine.
        reliabilityguy 1y ago
        > It would have taken you a lot less time to type “Charlie Kirk great replacement theory fact” into a search box It shows me a bunch of links to various websites. So, which one was the one that you've read/watched to inform your opinion?
- mapontosevenths 1y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk... The are a dozen or so here.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > Kirk earned a living by intentionally inciting rage. The dividends of rage are violence, sadly. In what way do these quotes evidence deliberate incitement of rage?

jackstraw42 1y ago

you're still burying your head in the sand. you realize it too.

zahlman 1y ago
No. Many people have shown me reasons they think I should believe it. In every single case, it has been plain and obvious to me that it's nothing of the sort. Disagreeing with you is not avoiding anything. To "realize" something, it would have to be true.
- jackstraw42 1y ago
  “Prove me wrong” Not going to engage, but you are absolutely burying your head in the sand, bud.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > Not going to engage Then commenting to repeat yourself is obnoxious and unproductive conduct. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

logicalmind 1y ago

Having strongly held opinion on who lives and who dies are petty heavy opinions one might say, correct? Like just pushing the opinion on whether Palestine should or should not be wiped out means that you are advocating for the lives/deaths of one group of people or another? I'm not saying people should necessarily die for their opinions. But it shouldn't come as a surprise that if your opinion, and the political policies you push for, literally result in the life or death of someone's family members, then those people may have very strong reactions to that. Like if there was an entire town of purple people and I went around saying I want all people purple people to be killed, should I be surprised if purple people might want to cause violence towards me? I mean, I'm just debating and using words, right? But those words an debates are literally about the lives and deaths of other people.

reliabilityguy 1y ago
> Like just pushing the opinion on whether Palestine should or should not be wiped out means that you are advocating for the lives/deaths of one group of people or another? Can you show me a video/article/blog post where he said that Palestinians should be wiped out? I would like to see/read it myself.
- logicalmind 1y ago
  Are you looking for something where he literally says "wiped out"? Or are you looking for his stance that it doesn't and shouldn't exist? I'm not a follower of Charlie Kirk or his positions and I don't support any violence against him. However, finding his position on Israel and Palestine is a very simple google search away. You can hear it from his own mouth right here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOd0yN_jKVs/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOd0yN_jKVs/
  - reliabilityguy 1y ago
    How did this interaction end? Why do you show a short scene from a potentially long discussion? This one looks like a rage bait more than anything. Pretty equivalent to taking a phrase out of context, and then claiming whatever suits your narrative.