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From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)

by breppp 1y ago

ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
>From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561
NoGravitas 1y ago
The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.
shadowgovt 1y ago
I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.
- zahlman 1y ago
  The bullet engravings are well known (and people pushing the groyper theory seem to believe the engravings support their theory just as well). There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Many sources similarly assert that Robinson's father "recognized" him in photos and "encouraged him to turn himself in" (see e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-spencer-cox/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-rob...). However, I don't know anything specific about his "testimony".
  - yepitwas 1y ago
    > There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Could turn out to be true, but considering the hilariously wrong stuff that was being published even by mainstream sources in the 24 hours after (the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance) I’d not yet treat this as meaningful at all. I’ve not seen anything above tabloid-level pushing it yet.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance I am unaware of any mistakes of fact as to the actual text of the engravings published by any mainstream source at any point. "Not getting the reference" is not the same thing as making an "extremely-wrong report". The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment.
      - yepitwas 1y ago
        The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. > The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment. I agree. We can take away some things (like “very online” and some suggestions of certain connections to spheres or activities, like the Helldivers 2 reference) but there’s little more than rather mixed suggestions that could go multiple ways, as far as political affiliation and motivation that we can read from them, so far.
        zahlman 1y ago
        > The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. Not the FBI, and the story is much more complex than that: https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-bullets-inscriptions/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-bullets-...
- breppp 1y ago
  Your post prompted me to reread everything after perviously reading social media processed information, and you are right, it's not clear cut. Especially once they redacted/not-redacted (actually read both in the same article) the bullet engravings story. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-arrest/684202/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie...) However from what did seem credible I think this still looks left-wing motivated

From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)

by breppp 1y ago

From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)

ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago

>From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561

NoGravitas 1y ago

The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.

shadowgovt 1y ago

I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.

zahlman 1y ago
The bullet engravings are well known (and people pushing the groyper theory seem to believe the engravings support their theory just as well). There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Many sources similarly assert that Robinson's father "recognized" him in photos and "encouraged him to turn himself in" (see e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-spencer-cox/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-rob...). However, I don't know anything specific about his "testimony".
- yepitwas 1y ago
  > There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Could turn out to be true, but considering the hilariously wrong stuff that was being published even by mainstream sources in the 24 hours after (the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance) I’d not yet treat this as meaningful at all. I’ve not seen anything above tabloid-level pushing it yet.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance I am unaware of any mistakes of fact as to the actual text of the engravings published by any mainstream source at any point. "Not getting the reference" is not the same thing as making an "extremely-wrong report". The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment.
    - yepitwas 1y ago
      The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. > The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment. I agree. We can take away some things (like “very online” and some suggestions of certain connections to spheres or activities, like the Helldivers 2 reference) but there’s little more than rather mixed suggestions that could go multiple ways, as far as political affiliation and motivation that we can read from them, so far.
      - zahlman 1y ago
        > The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. Not the FBI, and the story is much more complex than that: https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-bullets-inscriptions/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-bullets-...
breppp 1y ago
Your post prompted me to reread everything after perviously reading social media processed information, and you are right, it's not clear cut. Especially once they redacted/not-redacted (actually read both in the same article) the bullet engravings story. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-arrest/684202/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie...) However from what did seem credible I think this still looks left-wing motivated