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You'll want to look into the "groypers," who are the group the alleged shooter may have been most closely affiliated with. They and Kirk's Turning Point USA had

You'll want to look into the "groypers," who are the group the alleged shooter may have been most closely affiliated with. They and Kirk's Turning Point USA had a falling out over TPU's unwillingness to be as ultra-nationalist, isolationist, or white supremacist as the groypers are. They assert that Kirk's brand of conservatism was carrying a kind of stolen valor over claiming they got Trump elected when the groypers would argue they were the ones most instrumental in cementing Trump's support among traditionally disenfranchised white nationalism. It's too early to know, but it may be the case that this shooting was the right-wing equivalent of Stalin having Lenin removed as an ivory-tower elite obstacle to "true communism."

breppp 1y ago
From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)
- ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
  >From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    The bullet engravings are well known (and people pushing the groyper theory seem to believe the engravings support their theory just as well). There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Many sources similarly assert that Robinson's father "recognized" him in photos and "encouraged him to turn himself in" (see e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-spencer-cox/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-rob...). However, I don't know anything specific about his "testimony".
    - yepitwas 1y ago
      > There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Could turn out to be true, but considering the hilariously wrong stuff that was being published even by mainstream sources in the 24 hours after (the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance) I’d not yet treat this as meaningful at all. I’ve not seen anything above tabloid-level pushing it yet.
      - zahlman 1y ago
        > the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance I am unaware of any mistakes of fact as to the actual text of the engravings published by any mainstream source at any point. "Not getting the reference" is not the same thing as making an "extremely-wrong report". The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment.
        yepitwas 1y ago
        The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. > The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment. I agree. We can take away some things (like “very online” and some suggestions of certain connections to spheres or activities, like the Helldivers 2 reference) but there’s little more than rather mixed suggestions that could go multiple ways, as far as political affiliation and motivation that we can read from them, so far.

breppp 1y ago

From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)

ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
>From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561
NoGravitas 1y ago
The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.
shadowgovt 1y ago
I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.
- zahlman 1y ago
  The bullet engravings are well known (and people pushing the groyper theory seem to believe the engravings support their theory just as well). There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Many sources similarly assert that Robinson's father "recognized" him in photos and "encouraged him to turn himself in" (see e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-spencer-cox/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/12/tyler-rob...). However, I don't know anything specific about his "testimony".
  - yepitwas 1y ago
    > There is a claim circulating that Robinson had a transgender/transitioning (MtF) roommate/partner. A simple web search will easily find multiple sources for this claim, but most of them aren't exactly what you'd consider authoritative or journalistic. Could turn out to be true, but considering the hilariously wrong stuff that was being published even by mainstream sources in the 24 hours after (the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance) I’d not yet treat this as meaningful at all. I’ve not seen anything above tabloid-level pushing it yet.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > the initially extremely-wrong reports about the engravings, for instance I am unaware of any mistakes of fact as to the actual text of the engravings published by any mainstream source at any point. "Not getting the reference" is not the same thing as making an "extremely-wrong report". The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment.
      - yepitwas 1y ago
        The very first reports of the engravings to break, supposedly from FBI sources, just said they had “pro trans” messages. > The meaning and implications of these engravings is the subject of intense debate, and not at all an objective matter at the moment. I agree. We can take away some things (like “very online” and some suggestions of certain connections to spheres or activities, like the Helldivers 2 reference) but there’s little more than rather mixed suggestions that could go multiple ways, as far as political affiliation and motivation that we can read from them, so far.