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> Either he was upset with charlie not being far right enough, or somehow he was influences by the far left. I don't think you can get much further right than

> Either he was upset with charlie not being far right enough, or somehow he was influences by the far left. I don't think you can get much further right than he was though. When I hear of all the stuff he was saying. I don't think even Trump has ever said some of that stuff. Like that women should be secondary to men. Apparently he also said that "a few deaths a year are a small price to pay for access to weapons". I wonder if he still felt that way knowing what was coming. I don't have the source link to hand though. News goes so fast now and I don't archive everything. Personally I'd never heard of the guy but I'm not in the US (and very glad about that right now, the country seems to be tearing itself apart) PS Also I'm not trying to defend the far right, I'm very left (especially by US standards which doesn't really have a 'left' compared to Europe, liberalism here is a moderate right-wing thing). But murder is definitely not ok in my book, of course. I would grin when I see a tesla dealership graffiti'd or a "swasticar" or "from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds" poster at a bus stop. but that's about as far as it goes. You don't touch people ever. Or really destroy stuff of value.

3np 1y ago
> I don't think you can get much further right than he was though. Groypers.
- platevoltage 1y ago
  When Nick Fuentes first appeared, him and his little gang of nerds were definitely more far right than Kirk. TPUSA had a gay man on staff, and put him all over those little memes they made. Israel is about the only thing Charlie and Nick disagree on now.
  - NoGravitas 1y ago
    Israel, and the Epstein files flip-flop/cover-up.
  - yepitwas 1y ago
    From what I’ve seen, Charlie stopped at promoting lies that if you believe them imply violence is on the table (and that have a history of inspiring violent acts). Nick has been willing to take the next step and go “We can’t do anything! Except kill them. But don’t do that! I didn’t say to! But what else can we do?” (So, Fuentes is closer to Trump’s level of flirting-with-telling-people-to-kill than Kirk was, AFAIK) As far as their disagreements over doctrine of-late, I’m not sure. Their messages do/did differ in where they drew the line, though. I’ve seen Loomer’s turning on Kirk (over his “turning” on Trump re: the Epstein files) cited as part of this, with Nick’s crowd being on Loomer’s side, but given Nick’s history with Trump that I know of I’d find that surprising, but I’ve not closely followed Fuentes so I’ve got some reading to do there.
- lostlogin 1y ago
  Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
- alchemical_piss 1y ago
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- Bender 1y ago
  Groypers How does that square with the issue that he texted his trans significant other to go pick up his rifle which he could not do as feds found the rifle first. [1] The feds are interviewing the trans partner as we speak. To be clear I am not anti-trans, rather just confused how he could also be a Groyper. Maybe this is possible, just a new concept to me. [1] - https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/ https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-t...
  - NekkoDroid 1y ago
    > his trans significant From the article you posted: > According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.” > The family member, who asked not to be identified, said Twiggs was the “black sheep” of their St. George, Utah, family, but declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men. > She said she didn’t know her relative’s politics or whether Twiggs was transitioning to become a woman, but added that it wouldn’t surprise her. So basically the source is "it was revealed to me in a dream". For all we know they were just roommates.
    - NoGravitas 1y ago
      Oh my God, they were roommates!
      - Bender 1y ago
        Turns out a more than that, which is totally fine. [1] Love should have no limits. also covered by 7 other news sites but DM have the most complete coverage [1] - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-partner-Charlie-Kirk-killer-Tyler-Robinson.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-part...
        qcnguy 1y ago
        It's actually the DM who broke the story.
shadowgovt 1y ago
You'll want to look into the "groypers," who are the group the alleged shooter may have been most closely affiliated with. They and Kirk's Turning Point USA had a falling out over TPU's unwillingness to be as ultra-nationalist, isolationist, or white supremacist as the groypers are. They assert that Kirk's brand of conservatism was carrying a kind of stolen valor over claiming they got Trump elected when the groypers would argue they were the ones most instrumental in cementing Trump's support among traditionally disenfranchised white nationalism. It's too early to know, but it may be the case that this shooting was the right-wing equivalent of Stalin having Lenin removed as an ivory-tower elite obstacle to "true communism."
- breppp 1y ago
  From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)
  - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
    >From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561
  - NoGravitas 1y ago
    The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.
frugalmail 1y ago
Could you share the video where he says "women should be secondary to men"? I'm interested in seeing this. I'm familiar with him saying "...prioritize marriage and children over career goals.." and "young women who supported Kamala Harris don't value having children..." but that had nothing to do with "secondary". He also said "young MEN should order their lives correctly by putting family first." But I'm always interested in knowing if I'm missing something. You're completely misrepresenting and misquoting the access to weapons comment. A parallel would be "give me liberty or give me death" which is a foundational quote in the invention/founding of the Constitutional Federal Republic system that has been adopted by many western nations.

3np 1y ago

> I don't think you can get much further right than he was though. Groypers.

platevoltage 1y ago
When Nick Fuentes first appeared, him and his little gang of nerds were definitely more far right than Kirk. TPUSA had a gay man on staff, and put him all over those little memes they made. Israel is about the only thing Charlie and Nick disagree on now.
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  Israel, and the Epstein files flip-flop/cover-up.
- yepitwas 1y ago
  From what I’ve seen, Charlie stopped at promoting lies that if you believe them imply violence is on the table (and that have a history of inspiring violent acts). Nick has been willing to take the next step and go “We can’t do anything! Except kill them. But don’t do that! I didn’t say to! But what else can we do?” (So, Fuentes is closer to Trump’s level of flirting-with-telling-people-to-kill than Kirk was, AFAIK) As far as their disagreements over doctrine of-late, I’m not sure. Their messages do/did differ in where they drew the line, though. I’ve seen Loomer’s turning on Kirk (over his “turning” on Trump re: the Epstein files) cited as part of this, with Nick’s crowd being on Loomer’s side, but given Nick’s history with Trump that I know of I’d find that surprising, but I’ve not closely followed Fuentes so I’ve got some reading to do there.
lostlogin 1y ago
Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
alchemical_piss 1y ago
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Bender 1y ago
Groypers How does that square with the issue that he texted his trans significant other to go pick up his rifle which he could not do as feds found the rifle first. [1] The feds are interviewing the trans partner as we speak. To be clear I am not anti-trans, rather just confused how he could also be a Groyper. Maybe this is possible, just a new concept to me. [1] - https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/ https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-t...
- NekkoDroid 1y ago
  > his trans significant From the article you posted: > According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.” > The family member, who asked not to be identified, said Twiggs was the “black sheep” of their St. George, Utah, family, but declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men. > She said she didn’t know her relative’s politics or whether Twiggs was transitioning to become a woman, but added that it wouldn’t surprise her. So basically the source is "it was revealed to me in a dream". For all we know they were just roommates.
  - NoGravitas 1y ago
    Oh my God, they were roommates!
    - Bender 1y ago
      Turns out a more than that, which is totally fine. [1] Love should have no limits. also covered by 7 other news sites but DM have the most complete coverage [1] - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-partner-Charlie-Kirk-killer-Tyler-Robinson.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15096571/Trans-part...
      - qcnguy 1y ago
        It's actually the DM who broke the story.

shadowgovt 1y ago

You'll want to look into the "groypers," who are the group the alleged shooter may have been most closely affiliated with. They and Kirk's Turning Point USA had a falling out over TPU's unwillingness to be as ultra-nationalist, isolationist, or white supremacist as the groypers are. They assert that Kirk's brand of conservatism was carrying a kind of stolen valor over claiming they got Trump elected when the groypers would argue they were the ones most instrumental in cementing Trump's support among traditionally disenfranchised white nationalism. It's too early to know, but it may be the case that this shooting was the right-wing equivalent of Stalin having Lenin removed as an ivory-tower elite obstacle to "true communism."

breppp 1y ago
From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony)
- ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
  >From what I read everything pointed at a killer from the extreme left (bullet engravings, his partner, his father's testimony) cf. https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561 https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/115199287909601561
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  The thing making it hard to make conclusions about the shell casings is that the groypers have co-opted a number of antifa slogans (via deep irony poisoning), in particular including "Bella Ciao" in a playlist of anti-Charlie Kirk "Groyper War" songs. I think the killer was probably a groyper, but there are certainly ample grounds for confusion.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  I'd be interested to know your sources. Information is flowing fast (as it often does in such a tragedy); I'd be interested to know what's being said outside my sphere.

frugalmail 1y ago

Could you share the video where he says "women should be secondary to men"? I'm interested in seeing this. I'm familiar with him saying "...prioritize marriage and children over career goals.." and "young women who supported Kamala Harris don't value having children..." but that had nothing to do with "secondary". He also said "young MEN should order their lives correctly by putting family first." But I'm always interested in knowing if I'm missing something. You're completely misrepresenting and misquoting the access to weapons comment. A parallel would be "give me liberty or give me death" which is a foundational quote in the invention/founding of the Constitutional Federal Republic system that has been adopted by many western nations.