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Huh? The link you posted shows that Trump condemned the shooting, calling it "horrific" and saying the shooter will prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Huh? The link you posted shows that Trump condemned the shooting, calling it "horrific" and saying the shooter will prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. You're equating not flying flags at half mast, despite condemning the violence, to gloating over murder. You're trying to justify the gloating and celebration of violence and it's disgusting.

lostlogin 1y ago
It is disgusting. And it’s also free speech to gloat about it. Is it legal to sack someone who is gleeful? The consensus on Hacker News was that New Zealand made an error blocking and banning the video of the Christchurch mosque shootings. What’s the right way to handle these scenarios? Kirk was a free speech advocate with strong views on gun violence, further complicating things.
- sointeresting 1y ago
  The 1st amendment doesn't protect your job, never has.
  - platevoltage 1y ago
    This is exactly right. People get fired over social media posts all of the time. The 1st amendment absolutely gives people the right to boycott these employers if they see fit though.
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      Do you mean ‘The 1st amendment absolutely gives people the right to boycott these employees if they see fit’. Sorry, I’m not American so have little idea how it works.
      - platevoltage 1y ago
        No, I meant what I said. I also did not agree against the legality of being fired for a social media post. It's been happening since social media first existed. You also can't boycott an employee. I really don't know what point you are trying to make here.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        I’m not trying to make a point. I was trying to understand if it’s legal to sack someone in the US if you don’t like their views and I didn’t read your comment carefully enough.
        platevoltage 1y ago
        No, you can't fire someone for their views. That's 100% illegal, but given the track record of our current Supreme Court, I don't see that being the case for long.
        delichon 1y ago
        Yes, in general a private employer can legally fire an employee for their political views. There are exceptions in some states, including California, New York, Colorado, North Dakota, that have protections for firing by political affiliation or activities, but that's the exception to the rule. Another exception applies to any public employee, since the first amendment applies to their employer. The default employment rule is at-will, meaning someone can be fired for any reason not explicitly prohibited. Political affiliation is not a federally protected category.
        platevoltage 1y ago
        I guess I've been living in a free state for so long that I overlooked this fact.
        zahlman 1y ago
        > The default employment rule is at-will employment, meaning someone can be fired for any reason not explicitly prohibited. Even then, in practice they can fire people for prohibited reasons, as long as it can't be proven that those reasons were used. Which in practice could be very difficult.
  - xethos 1y ago
    If you work for the government, shouldn't it?
- platevoltage 1y ago
  This whole "Kirk was a free speech advocate" nonsense needs to stop. It wasn't true then, and it certainly isn't true now. https://www.professorwatchlist.org https://www.professorwatchlist.org
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    >This whole "Kirk was a free speech advocate" nonsense needs to stop. That’s different. ‘They’ don’t have the right to say those things, but Kirk maintained his right to say what he liked.
  - CMay 1y ago
    That website has a list of professors they claim were interfering with, educating against or are openly against free speech. https://www.professorwatchlist.org/tags/anti-1st-amendment https://www.professorwatchlist.org/tags/anti-1st-amendment I just randomly clicked one of the professors in that list: - "Shaviro has been suspended after he posted on Facebook that it would be better for people to kill their political opponents than to protest them. In a now-deleted post, Shaviro wrote:" - “So here is what I think about free speech on campus. Although I do not advocate violating federal and state criminal codes, I think it is far more admirable to kill a racist, homophobic, or transphobic speaker than it is to shout them down.” That's straight from the website, which may or may not be accurate or true. The way it looks, is still about the way it looks given the larger context of the rest of its post. It's particularly relevant given the recent events.

lostlogin 1y ago

It is disgusting. And it’s also free speech to gloat about it. Is it legal to sack someone who is gleeful? The consensus on Hacker News was that New Zealand made an error blocking and banning the video of the Christchurch mosque shootings. What’s the right way to handle these scenarios? Kirk was a free speech advocate with strong views on gun violence, further complicating things.

sointeresting 1y ago
The 1st amendment doesn't protect your job, never has.
- platevoltage 1y ago
  This is exactly right. People get fired over social media posts all of the time. The 1st amendment absolutely gives people the right to boycott these employers if they see fit though.
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    Do you mean ‘The 1st amendment absolutely gives people the right to boycott these employees if they see fit’. Sorry, I’m not American so have little idea how it works.
    - platevoltage 1y ago
      No, I meant what I said. I also did not agree against the legality of being fired for a social media post. It's been happening since social media first existed. You also can't boycott an employee. I really don't know what point you are trying to make here.
      - lostlogin 1y ago
        I’m not trying to make a point. I was trying to understand if it’s legal to sack someone in the US if you don’t like their views and I didn’t read your comment carefully enough.
        platevoltage 1y ago
        No, you can't fire someone for their views. That's 100% illegal, but given the track record of our current Supreme Court, I don't see that being the case for long.
        delichon 1y ago
        Yes, in general a private employer can legally fire an employee for their political views. There are exceptions in some states, including California, New York, Colorado, North Dakota, that have protections for firing by political affiliation or activities, but that's the exception to the rule. Another exception applies to any public employee, since the first amendment applies to their employer. The default employment rule is at-will, meaning someone can be fired for any reason not explicitly prohibited. Political affiliation is not a federally protected category.
        platevoltage 1y ago
        I guess I've been living in a free state for so long that I overlooked this fact.
        zahlman 1y ago
        > The default employment rule is at-will employment, meaning someone can be fired for any reason not explicitly prohibited. Even then, in practice they can fire people for prohibited reasons, as long as it can't be proven that those reasons were used. Which in practice could be very difficult.
- xethos 1y ago
  If you work for the government, shouldn't it?
platevoltage 1y ago
This whole "Kirk was a free speech advocate" nonsense needs to stop. It wasn't true then, and it certainly isn't true now. https://www.professorwatchlist.org https://www.professorwatchlist.org
- lostlogin 1y ago
  >This whole "Kirk was a free speech advocate" nonsense needs to stop. That’s different. ‘They’ don’t have the right to say those things, but Kirk maintained his right to say what he liked.
- CMay 1y ago
  That website has a list of professors they claim were interfering with, educating against or are openly against free speech. https://www.professorwatchlist.org/tags/anti-1st-amendment https://www.professorwatchlist.org/tags/anti-1st-amendment I just randomly clicked one of the professors in that list: - "Shaviro has been suspended after he posted on Facebook that it would be better for people to kill their political opponents than to protest them. In a now-deleted post, Shaviro wrote:" - “So here is what I think about free speech on campus. Although I do not advocate violating federal and state criminal codes, I think it is far more admirable to kill a racist, homophobic, or transphobic speaker than it is to shout them down.” That's straight from the website, which may or may not be accurate or true. The way it looks, is still about the way it looks given the larger context of the rest of its post. It's particularly relevant given the recent events.