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South Korean company build a NPP in 7 years in Saudi Arabia.

mpweiher 1y ago
United Arab Emirates. Fastest build times are Japan with under 4 years. Germany built its Konvois in just shy of 6 years. Just before we stopped building altogether. France built 50+ reactors in 15 years. We know how to build nuclear quickly, reliably and (relatively) cheaply. We also know how to do it slowly, eratically and expensively. Fortunately the former comes almost but not entirely automatically with building lots of them.
- natmaka 1y ago
  During the past 25 years there were projects aiming at building industrial nuclear reactors. They all ended badly (canceled, way over budget or delay...).
  - mpweiher 1y ago
    That's completely false. The Konvois in Germany were extremely successful. France built 50+ reactors in 15 years from a standing start.
    - natmaka 1y ago
      I wrote "During the past 25 years" Please describe any nuclear reactor which was successfully built in France or Germany during the past 25 years. France: https://sites.google.com/view/electricitedefrance/messmer-plan https://sites.google.com/view/electricitedefrance/messmer-pl...
      - mpweiher 1y ago
        Germany didn't build any. France built hardly any. And that's the complete answer: we know how to build nuclear reactors quickly and cheaply. Building only very few of different novel designs while slowly (or quickly) losing the industrial base to do so, for example by making it illegal to build more (or at all) is exactly how you don't do it.
        ViewTrick1002 1y ago
        The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles. Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies. Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026… And the French government just fell because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix. A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution! But nuclear is fast to build, if we ignore all modern western examples!
        looofooo0 1y ago
        Just because in Germany the bill was footed by the consumer and geopolitical dependcies (Russia) does not make its CO2 free electricity cheaper. It also still lacks behind France in CO2 emission.
        ViewTrick1002 1y ago
        This argument is like nuclear power was a waste for France in the 1980s because they weren't done removing all oil from their grid. As per recent French nuclear construction they are on a path of replacing it with renewables because it is horrifically expensive and they are unable to finance new construction.
        looofooo0 1y ago
        My argument is that german electricity is way more expensive then the french. But you are right npp is overregulated and should be build in convoys to manage cost.
natmaka 1y ago
> South Korean company build a NPP in 7 years in Saudi Arabia. Barakah (delivered March 2024) was late (by about 3 years?), undersold (KEPCO hadn't any other ongoing project and the Korean government at the time wanted a nuclear phase-out) and various tricks are now known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_scandal

United Arab Emirates. Fastest build times are Japan with under 4 years. Germany built its Konvois in just shy of 6 years. Just before we stopped building altogether. France built 50+ reactors in 15 years. We know how to build nuclear quickly, reliably and (relatively) cheaply. We also know how to do it slowly, eratically and expensively. Fortunately the former comes almost but not entirely automatically with building lots of them.

natmaka 1y ago
During the past 25 years there were projects aiming at building industrial nuclear reactors. They all ended badly (canceled, way over budget or delay...).
- mpweiher 1y ago
  That's completely false. The Konvois in Germany were extremely successful. France built 50+ reactors in 15 years from a standing start.
  - natmaka 1y ago
    I wrote "During the past 25 years" Please describe any nuclear reactor which was successfully built in France or Germany during the past 25 years. France: https://sites.google.com/view/electricitedefrance/messmer-plan https://sites.google.com/view/electricitedefrance/messmer-pl...
    - mpweiher 1y ago
      Germany didn't build any. France built hardly any. And that's the complete answer: we know how to build nuclear reactors quickly and cheaply. Building only very few of different novel designs while slowly (or quickly) losing the industrial base to do so, for example by making it illegal to build more (or at all) is exactly how you don't do it.
      - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
        The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles. Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies. Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026… And the French government just fell because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix. A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution! But nuclear is fast to build, if we ignore all modern western examples!
        looofooo0 1y ago
        Just because in Germany the bill was footed by the consumer and geopolitical dependcies (Russia) does not make its CO2 free electricity cheaper. It also still lacks behind France in CO2 emission.
        ViewTrick1002 1y ago
        This argument is like nuclear power was a waste for France in the 1980s because they weren't done removing all oil from their grid. As per recent French nuclear construction they are on a path of replacing it with renewables because it is horrifically expensive and they are unable to finance new construction.
        looofooo0 1y ago
        My argument is that german electricity is way more expensive then the french. But you are right npp is overregulated and should be build in convoys to manage cost.

natmaka 1y ago

> South Korean company build a NPP in 7 years in Saudi Arabia. Barakah (delivered March 2024) was late (by about 3 years?), undersold (KEPCO hadn't any other ongoing project and the Korean government at the time wanted a nuclear phase-out) and various tricks are now known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_scandal