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You keep insisting that H-1B or any temporary visas are for the jobs that cannot be filled by Americans. This is simply not true. There are no such requirements

You keep insisting that H-1B or any temporary visas are for the jobs that cannot be filled by Americans. This is simply not true. There are no such requirements so you whole reasoning is based on a fantasy.

lovich 1y ago
> You keep insisting that H-1B or any temporary visas are for the jobs that cannot be filled by Americans. This is simply not true. As a de facto description of the current situation in the United States I agree with you. The de jure description for why h1bs would be allowed is due to them, again _ostensibly_, having skills or a specific skillset that could not be found in a reasonable time frame and are worth importing. I am trying to game theory out ways to make the h1b system achieve the ostensible goals. I am not trying to defend the current system as it stands edit: I realized this might be our point of contention right now > There are no such requirements so you whole reasoning is based on a fantasy. I was under the impression that h1bs positions were supposed to pay a “higher than prevailing wage” but there has been a surge of activity around these terms the past few months on the internet and I can’t find definitive proof of that. If that fact isn’t true it would modify my view on the system
- pandaman 1y ago
  >The de jure description for why h1bs would be allowed is due to them, again _ostensibly_, having skills or a specific skillset that could not be found in a reasonable time frame and are worth importing. There is no such description in law (this is what de jure means) so I have no clue why you think so. >I was under the impression that h1bs positions were supposed to pay a “higher than prevailing wage” They are. It does not mean they are for jobs, which cannot be done by an American worker, ostensibly or otherwise.
  - lovich 1y ago
    Ok, then I guess what I am trying to figure out is how to build a system that is the same as my de jure description. I was under the impression that was the case and do not need you to prove to me otherwise. But I agreed with that de jure description and would like a system that achieves that
    - bubblethink 1y ago
      The ways to build the system you desire are simple; the political challenges though are insurmountable. This isn't rocket science. However, there has been no substantial legislative change in this area in over 30 years. The current morass of H-1B, PERM etc. is a carefully engineered compromise to keep all demanding factions - the restrictionists, the capitalists, the left and the right, acceptably (un)happy.

lovich 1y ago

> You keep insisting that H-1B or any temporary visas are for the jobs that cannot be filled by Americans. This is simply not true. As a de facto description of the current situation in the United States I agree with you. The de jure description for why h1bs would be allowed is due to them, again _ostensibly_, having skills or a specific skillset that could not be found in a reasonable time frame and are worth importing. I am trying to game theory out ways to make the h1b system achieve the ostensible goals. I am not trying to defend the current system as it stands edit: I realized this might be our point of contention right now > There are no such requirements so you whole reasoning is based on a fantasy. I was under the impression that h1bs positions were supposed to pay a “higher than prevailing wage” but there has been a surge of activity around these terms the past few months on the internet and I can’t find definitive proof of that. If that fact isn’t true it would modify my view on the system

pandaman 1y ago
>The de jure description for why h1bs would be allowed is due to them, again _ostensibly_, having skills or a specific skillset that could not be found in a reasonable time frame and are worth importing. There is no such description in law (this is what de jure means) so I have no clue why you think so. >I was under the impression that h1bs positions were supposed to pay a “higher than prevailing wage” They are. It does not mean they are for jobs, which cannot be done by an American worker, ostensibly or otherwise.
- lovich 1y ago
  Ok, then I guess what I am trying to figure out is how to build a system that is the same as my de jure description. I was under the impression that was the case and do not need you to prove to me otherwise. But I agreed with that de jure description and would like a system that achieves that
  - bubblethink 1y ago
    The ways to build the system you desire are simple; the political challenges though are insurmountable. This isn't rocket science. However, there has been no substantial legislative change in this area in over 30 years. The current morass of H-1B, PERM etc. is a carefully engineered compromise to keep all demanding factions - the restrictionists, the capitalists, the left and the right, acceptably (un)happy.