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> Does it matter if I'm the only one using it? Yes, you yourself can also suffer from that breakage, and worst of all, might no even notice it right away, so h

by eviks 1y ago

> Does it matter if I'm the only one using it? Yes, you yourself can also suffer from that breakage, and worst of all, might no even notice it right away, so have a period of silent issues

nitros 1y ago
Eh, Emacs isn't really a system where broken behaviour goes unnoticed. It either works as you expect or something isn't working correctly.
- eviks 1y ago
  There is no magical system that can ensure no bug goes unnoticed > or something isn't working correctly. the issue isn't whether a bug exists, it's whether/when you notice this
  - resize2996 1y ago
    You're missing emacs insane observability and tight feedback loops.
    - eviks 1y ago
      Why did that magic observability didn't help answer this simple question? > Might this break some other deeply intertwined behavior someplace else? Probably
      - iLemming 1y ago
        > why ... didn't help answer this simple question? How do you know it didn't? Someone may have observed it and fixed it someplace else, but from the point of OP it doesn't matter to them - their system still works "as desired". The world wasn't meant to be perfect for everyone, but you can certainly carve out your own "perfect" piece of it. It seems you have only surface knowledge and little practice of using Emacs. You're not offering any evidence to your arguments and not suggesting any alternatives. Because there isn't a practical alternative that exists today to effectively replace Emacs. You're frantically trying to grasp for reasons not to use Emacs. Why are you looking for validation on an Emacs-themed thread? If you don't want to use Emacs, just don't. If you want to use Emacs but observing obstacles, then get more concrete, instead of complaining just for the sake of it.
kstrauser 1y ago
That’s directly true of all FOSS. Any time you fork something, you have to keep adapting to changes in upstream.
- eviks 1y ago
  This isn't about adapting to future changes, but noticing breakage in the current system. But also, even in FOSS there can be projects that value stability and isolation, so if you fix some plugin that misbehaves you don't need to adapt because the underlying editor APIs that plugin relied on are stable and also isolated in a way where your changes can't break other users

by eviks 1y ago

> Does it matter if I'm the only one using it? Yes, you yourself can also suffer from that breakage, and worst of all, might no even notice it right away, so have a period of silent issues

nitros 1y ago

Eh, Emacs isn't really a system where broken behaviour goes unnoticed. It either works as you expect or something isn't working correctly.

eviks 1y ago
There is no magical system that can ensure no bug goes unnoticed > or something isn't working correctly. the issue isn't whether a bug exists, it's whether/when you notice this
- resize2996 1y ago
  You're missing emacs insane observability and tight feedback loops.
  - eviks 1y ago
    Why did that magic observability didn't help answer this simple question? > Might this break some other deeply intertwined behavior someplace else? Probably
    - iLemming 1y ago
      > why ... didn't help answer this simple question? How do you know it didn't? Someone may have observed it and fixed it someplace else, but from the point of OP it doesn't matter to them - their system still works "as desired". The world wasn't meant to be perfect for everyone, but you can certainly carve out your own "perfect" piece of it. It seems you have only surface knowledge and little practice of using Emacs. You're not offering any evidence to your arguments and not suggesting any alternatives. Because there isn't a practical alternative that exists today to effectively replace Emacs. You're frantically trying to grasp for reasons not to use Emacs. Why are you looking for validation on an Emacs-themed thread? If you don't want to use Emacs, just don't. If you want to use Emacs but observing obstacles, then get more concrete, instead of complaining just for the sake of it.

kstrauser 1y ago

That’s directly true of all FOSS. Any time you fork something, you have to keep adapting to changes in upstream.

eviks 1y ago
This isn't about adapting to future changes, but noticing breakage in the current system. But also, even in FOSS there can be projects that value stability and isolation, so if you fix some plugin that misbehaves you don't need to adapt because the underlying editor APIs that plugin relied on are stable and also isolated in a way where your changes can't break other users