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Does the US have such a shortage of artistic talent we have to hire abroad for it?

thephyber 1y ago
Why get hung out on the example profession and not the fact that some jobs pay drastically disproportionate rates? Linus developed Linux, but we wouldn’t be able to hire the next version of him because hedge funds would dominate the high salary reqs in this hypothetical system.
- sarchertech 1y ago
  There’s an O1 visa for exceptional talent.
  - qwezxcrty 1y ago
    In that case some technical aspects needs rework... Currently O1 visa being a nonimmigrant visa have no path to PR/citizenship (unlike H1Bs) and need annual renewal. This make it unattractive to "who possess extraordinary ability".
    - sarchertech 1y ago
      You can apply for an EB-1A greencard or a national interest waiver green card while on an O1 visa. You can also get an employer sponsored green card similarly to what you’d do if you were on an H-1B.
      - qwezxcrty 1y ago
        Yes, but even for people eligible for EB1A (it usually has a higher bar in practice, EB2/NIW is easier but way worse backlog), filing a (or according to some lesser stringent interpretation, having an approved) I-140, will make you have immigration intent and thus illegible for extension of any nonimmigration visa. So you apply for green card and if you don't immediately get it (particularly because of the backlog for some countries), you have to leave the US. (I'm not an immigration lawyer and these are only my personal interpretation).
        sarchertech 1y ago
        That’s not the case. o1 is not officially classed as dual intent but it mostly functions that way. “Labor Certification Exception: Under the doctrine of dual intent, the fact that a U.S. employer has filed a labor certification, or an individual has filed a permanent residence petition on behalf of the non-immigrant, shall not be a basis for denying the O-1 petition, a request for extension of stay, admission to the US, or change of status for that O-1 non-immigrant.” https://global.upenn.edu/isss/o1/ https://global.upenn.edu/isss/o1/
        qwezxcrty 1y ago
        Okay, then it appears I have indeed overlooked this.
- AdrianB1 1y ago
  If you cannot pay for it, it means it is not important enough. Maybe that is the problem, you want exceptional talent for pennies.
  - jalapenos 1y ago
    That sounds true enough for coastals to downvote you for.
    - AdrianB1 1y ago
      It is a low price for free speech.
fooker 1y ago
Short answer - yes. There's no long answer.
- KPGv2 1y ago
  Where are the H1-Bs working in the arts at the moment?
jalapenos 1y ago
AI literally produces more mesmerising art, for pennies, than an artist ever could, because their whole shtick was "out-there visual concepts", which was a wide open space of anything that's "not normal", which now and AI can pump out copiously. Artistic talent is not important.
- collingreen 1y ago
  Lol. This one isn't landing as well for me as your other troll comments.

Why get hung out on the example profession and not the fact that some jobs pay drastically disproportionate rates? Linus developed Linux, but we wouldn’t be able to hire the next version of him because hedge funds would dominate the high salary reqs in this hypothetical system.

sarchertech 1y ago
There’s an O1 visa for exceptional talent.
- qwezxcrty 1y ago
  In that case some technical aspects needs rework... Currently O1 visa being a nonimmigrant visa have no path to PR/citizenship (unlike H1Bs) and need annual renewal. This make it unattractive to "who possess extraordinary ability".
  - sarchertech 1y ago
    You can apply for an EB-1A greencard or a national interest waiver green card while on an O1 visa. You can also get an employer sponsored green card similarly to what you’d do if you were on an H-1B.
    - qwezxcrty 1y ago
      Yes, but even for people eligible for EB1A (it usually has a higher bar in practice, EB2/NIW is easier but way worse backlog), filing a (or according to some lesser stringent interpretation, having an approved) I-140, will make you have immigration intent and thus illegible for extension of any nonimmigration visa. So you apply for green card and if you don't immediately get it (particularly because of the backlog for some countries), you have to leave the US. (I'm not an immigration lawyer and these are only my personal interpretation).
      - sarchertech 1y ago
        That’s not the case. o1 is not officially classed as dual intent but it mostly functions that way. “Labor Certification Exception: Under the doctrine of dual intent, the fact that a U.S. employer has filed a labor certification, or an individual has filed a permanent residence petition on behalf of the non-immigrant, shall not be a basis for denying the O-1 petition, a request for extension of stay, admission to the US, or change of status for that O-1 non-immigrant.” https://global.upenn.edu/isss/o1/ https://global.upenn.edu/isss/o1/
        qwezxcrty 1y ago
        Okay, then it appears I have indeed overlooked this.
AdrianB1 1y ago
If you cannot pay for it, it means it is not important enough. Maybe that is the problem, you want exceptional talent for pennies.
- jalapenos 1y ago
  That sounds true enough for coastals to downvote you for.
  - AdrianB1 1y ago
    It is a low price for free speech.

fooker 1y ago

Short answer - yes. There's no long answer.

KPGv2 1y ago
Where are the H1-Bs working in the arts at the moment?

jalapenos 1y ago

AI literally produces more mesmerising art, for pennies, than an artist ever could, because their whole shtick was "out-there visual concepts", which was a wide open space of anything that's "not normal", which now and AI can pump out copiously. Artistic talent is not important.

collingreen 1y ago
Lol. This one isn't landing as well for me as your other troll comments.