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Immigrants are our biggest job creators founding >50% of our unicorns. We’re pooping on what makes America great. There’s no logic or reasoning anymore though,
by dyauspitr 1y ago
Immigrants are our biggest job creators founding >50% of our unicorns. We’re pooping on what makes America great. There’s no logic or reasoning anymore though, just hate.
- givemeethekeys 1y agoI was not aware of the Hyundai factory workers immigrating to the US. I thought they were brought by Hyundai temporarily and on the wrong visa to help build that factory faster.
- notmyjob 1y agoLet’s try to keep facts out of this and stick to optics, emotional appeals and whataboutism.
- andyjohnson0 1y agoUnfortunately a lot of people in the US voted for this. They want to see people who are "other" treated harshly and cruely. Trump is giving them what they want.
- more_corn 1y agoI’m not sure this is precisely what people voted for.
- ungreased0675 1y agoIt’s not immigrants, it’s unchecked, undocumented, unvetted immigration that most people (including a majority of immigrants) are opposed to.
- Starman_Jones 1y agoDo you feel that the arrests at the Hyundai plant effectively countered unchecked, unvetted immigration?
- decremental 1y ago[dead]
- stetrain 1y agoPerhaps, but a lot of the recent immigration enforcement pushes haven't been about fully undocumented immigrants.
- SamoyedFurFluff 1y agoI think rhetoric around immigration is functionally a Motte and Bailey game. Many of our most productive immigrants play visa games, overstaying, working on non-working visas, etc. in fact it takes a sort of grit, daring, and entrepreneurship to play fast and loose with bloated inefficient government regulation (such as our immigration system). It is obviously easy to declare “well, my intentions were to always target just the worst ideal of immigrant” while ignoring the reality of how much immigrants— yes, even the unchecked, undocumented, unvetted ones— benefit the country as a whole…
- notmyjob 1y agoI think we should deal in facts. We can for each immigrant estimate a net value to the nation in terms of taxes paid vs services received. Maybe they get food stamps that cost 80k but pay 90k over their lifetime here in taxes. That’s great, let them come in! But, if you do this, you will quickly be forced to admit that many of these quasi-legal immigrants (undocumented workers?) pay in very little while drawing out much more in healthcare, education, criminal justice and other services. For any nation that can become unsustainable. At least that’s the numerate take. There’s an important “feels” take on this too. We shouldn’t just discard the “bad vibes” but should consider it alongside actual data.
- SamoyedFurFluff 1y agoWe cannot for each immigrant do this estimation; that’s further bloating an already bloated visa and immigration system. You’d have legal appeals to under-estimations, etc etc. sounds like a nightmare. This is on top of economic studies that already exist that in aggregate immigrants have a good number of benefits to the economy, even when they initially need more resources invested. If you want actual data, the data is there.
- notmyjob 1y agoNo citations? “ Therefore, despite legal restrictions on benefits for legal immigrants and outright bans for unlawful immigrants, the large difference in taxes paid between native-born Americans and immigrants without high school diplomas, even those of a very young age, results in a net fiscal cost—i.e., every additional immigrant aged 18–24 without a high school diploma is expected to worsen the fiscal outlook of the United States” https://manhattan.institute/article/the-lifetime-fiscal-impact-of-immigrants https://manhattan.institute/article/the-lifetime-fiscal-impa...
- garciasn 1y agoSome polls state otherwise, with many pointing to disillusionment with the methods and likely incarceration and deportation of immigrants that were potentially targeted improperly by the administration as a way to appear tough on immigration to achieve their goals. The net-net of these actions will leave the economy weaker and cause a net loss of population earlier than expected according to the CBO. https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigration-abated.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/692522/surge-concern-immigratio... https://www.axios.com/2025/09/10/trump-ice-big-beautiful-bill-immigration https://www.axios.com/2025/09/10/trump-ice-big-beautiful-bil... https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Immigrant_Detention_Centers_poll_results.pdf https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume...
- hobs 1y agoWell, that's not what we have today. ICE making so many arrests at immigration court for people who showed up after they pressure the judges to dismiss the case. People with papers, married parents, and people who have been here decades are being grabbed because they are easy to get for the current administration.
- dotnet00 1y agoThat was the PR line used to trick immigrants into initially supporting the cause, it's become pretty obvious with the sheer glee on social media over all immigrants being harassed and open questioning of the immigration status of anyone they don't like (see: NYC mayoral candidate Mamdani), that it's actually just about not liking anyone who doesn't look like themselves.
- stouset 1y agoIf it were this, we'd be doing everything possible to make the process of legal immigration less capricious. Instead we're rounding up anyone who looks foreign or speaks with an accent, ignoring even if they're here legally or following the process. At least be honest with yourself about what's happening in front of your eyes.
- sugarpimpdorsey 1y agoStraw man fallacy. No one is deporting legal immigrant founders. The White House just hosted two dozen of them for dinner - more than half of those in attendance were Indian or Asian.
- rootusrootus 1y agoSure, as soon as you have become wildly successful and critical to the business interests of the US, we can overlook everything that came before that moment.