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Twitter is consistently working for legal user privacy, even in the face of this U.S. setback. (I'm not affiliated with Twitter, I just follow them). Read abou

by jph 14y ago

Twitter is consistently working for legal user privacy, even in the face of this U.S. setback. (I'm not affiliated with Twitter, I just follow them). Read about the Digital Due Process alliance here, including Twitter: http://digitaldueprocess.org/ http://digitaldueprocess.org/ "An alliance of tech companies including Twitter, Google, Amazon.com, Apple, AT&T, Facebook along with nonprofit groups called the Digital Due Process Coalition has been pressing the U.S. Congress to update federal privacy law to reflect today's cloud computing era, but has enjoyed only limited success so far. "

sneak 14y ago
These huge companies (I'm looking at you, Google) can choose to operate (or not) under the draconian jurisdiction of the USA, where the PATRIOT Act's NSLs have completely evaporated due process at the federal level. It's been in place for over a decade now. It's not going anywhere. Yet these companies are still installing new servers within the borders. At which point does the blame shift from the lawmakers to the complicit? Is the ten years between October 2001 (PATRIOT) and October 2011 sufficient? If not, then what is?
- pavel_lishin 14y ago
  What country's jurisdiction do you recommend they move to?
  - arthurrr 14y ago
    Iceland
- brown9-2 14y ago
  How do you expect them to do business in the US or have employees in the US while avoiding the PATRIOT Act? What is Google or Twitter realistically to do here - shut down business in the largest market and highest-skilled workforce in the world? edit: Also, it seems to me like your argument could be extended from the companies that provide services in such a jurisdiction to the people that use such a service in such a jurisdiction. At what point do we blame Twitter users for an (unrealistic) expectation that their data will never be turned over to authorities?
  - sneak 14y ago
    I emigrated from the US leaving friends and family behind four years ago for just this reason.
    - tokenadult 14y ago
      I emigrated from the US leaving friends and family behind To which place? What are the laws there about subpoenas of the records of online interaction?
cube13 14y ago
What change to due process would you recommend in this case? The prosecution, as is their right, asked the judge to issue a subpoena to Twitter for the information. The judge agreed, and issued it. I don't see how due process was not followed at all. If this was a civil case, nobody would have batted an eye at Twitter releasing the information to the plantiff or defendant. EDIT: I'm not sure that the digital due process changes, if they were enacted exactly as the group suggests, would have changed this outcome. All that Google, et al, are asking for is clarification to the rules and standards. That would not have stopped a prosecutor from requesting the subpoena, nor would it have stopped the judge from granting it.

by jph 14y ago

sneak 14y ago

These huge companies (I'm looking at you, Google) can choose to operate (or not) under the draconian jurisdiction of the USA, where the PATRIOT Act's NSLs have completely evaporated due process at the federal level. It's been in place for over a decade now. It's not going anywhere. Yet these companies are still installing new servers within the borders. At which point does the blame shift from the lawmakers to the complicit? Is the ten years between October 2001 (PATRIOT) and October 2011 sufficient? If not, then what is?

pavel_lishin 14y ago
What country's jurisdiction do you recommend they move to?
- arthurrr 14y ago
  Iceland
brown9-2 14y ago
How do you expect them to do business in the US or have employees in the US while avoiding the PATRIOT Act? What is Google or Twitter realistically to do here - shut down business in the largest market and highest-skilled workforce in the world? edit: Also, it seems to me like your argument could be extended from the companies that provide services in such a jurisdiction to the people that use such a service in such a jurisdiction. At what point do we blame Twitter users for an (unrealistic) expectation that their data will never be turned over to authorities?
- sneak 14y ago
  I emigrated from the US leaving friends and family behind four years ago for just this reason.
  - tokenadult 14y ago
    I emigrated from the US leaving friends and family behind To which place? What are the laws there about subpoenas of the records of online interaction?

cube13 14y ago

What change to due process would you recommend in this case? The prosecution, as is their right, asked the judge to issue a subpoena to Twitter for the information. The judge agreed, and issued it. I don't see how due process was not followed at all. If this was a civil case, nobody would have batted an eye at Twitter releasing the information to the plantiff or defendant. EDIT: I'm not sure that the digital due process changes, if they were enacted exactly as the group suggests, would have changed this outcome. All that Google, et al, are asking for is clarification to the rules and standards. That would not have stopped a prosecutor from requesting the subpoena, nor would it have stopped the judge from granting it.