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It's funny because this repo really does seem vibe-coded. Obviously I have no reason not to believe you, but man! All those emojis in the install shell script -

by johnfn 1y ago

It's funny because this repo really does seem vibe-coded. Obviously I have no reason not to believe you, but man! All those emojis in the install shell script - I've never seen anyone other than an AI do that :) Maybe you're the coder that the AI companies trained their AI on. Sorry about the job interview. That sucks.

MarcelOlsz 1y ago
I used AI for the Docker setup which I've already done before. I'm not wasting time on that. Yeah you can vibe code basic backend and frontend and whatnot, but you're not going to vibe code your way to a full inverse kinematics solution. I'm not a math/university educated guy so this was truly "from the ground up" for me despite the math being simple. I was quite proud of that.
- Tenemo 1y ago
  So what was the issue the CTO had with vibe coding? Had you disclosed to then that you used LLMs for coding "basic" features outside the math and whatnot?
  - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
    The hiring manager told me that they were getting a lot of "signal to noise" ratio in terms of their hiring, where they'd bring someone on-site who had a good assignment and apparently more often than not, these candidates would shit the bed in a live environment. So the CTO made a live take-home assignment and didn't tell anyone. I was told that he did this to weed out the low signal-to-noise people they dealt with recently. >Had you disclosed to then that you used LLMs for coding "basic" features outside the math and whatnot? No it seems completely immaterial. I'll happily talk about it if asked but it's just another tool in the shed. Great for scaffolding but makes me want to rip my hair out more often than not. If it doesn't one-shot something simple for me it has no use because it's infuriating to use. I didn't get into programming because I liked writing English.
  - postsantum 1y ago
    CTO's previous job was at Palantir, perhaps he has some reasons to be paranoid
Tenemo 1y ago
There's even a rocket emoji in server console.logs... There are memes with ChatGPT and rocket emojis as a sign of AI use. The whole repo looks super vibe-coded, emojis, abundance of redundant comments, all in perfect English and grammar, and the readme also has that "chatty" feel to it. I'm not saying that using AI for take-home assignments is bad/unethical overall, but you need to be honest about it. If he was lying to them about not using any AI assistance to write all those emojis and folder structure map in the repo, then the CTO had a good nose and rightfully caught him.
- MarcelOlsz 1y ago
  Oh my god Becky, there's even a rocket emoji in the server console logs! Should I also be "honest" about tab-completion? Where do you draw the line? Maybe I should be punished for having an internet connection too. Using AI for docker/readme's/simple scaffolding I would have done anyways? Oh the horror! There was no lying because there was no discussion or mention of AI at all. Had they asked me, I'd have happily told them yes I obviously use AI to help me save time on grunt-work, I've been doing this stuff for like 15 years. It's an unpaid take-home assignment. You'd have to be smoking crack to think that I would be rawdogging this. Imagine if I had a family or a wife or an existing job? I'd dump them after getting linked their assignment document. Honestly at this point in the AI winter if you are a guy who has AI-inspired paranoia then I don't want to work for you because you are not "in the know".
  - sarchertech 1y ago
    You have that you’re the founder of an AI company in your hacker news profile, and your take home looks completely vibe coded. Why in the world are you surprised that a hiring manager is a little suspicious about your coding skills? Given what you’ve said in your other comments, it seems like you used AI in a way that I wouldn’t have a problem with but just briefly looking through I can see how it would look suspicious.
    - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
      That's all well and good. Totally ask me about AI, I can talk a lot about it. Don't however, make me go through 99% of the interview process up until the very last stage (spanning weeks), and throw a live test in my face, and then have the hiring manager clarify that it's about "vibe coding paranoia". It negates the entire reason I did the take-home assignment.

by johnfn 1y ago

MarcelOlsz 1y ago

I used AI for the Docker setup which I've already done before. I'm not wasting time on that. Yeah you can vibe code basic backend and frontend and whatnot, but you're not going to vibe code your way to a full inverse kinematics solution. I'm not a math/university educated guy so this was truly "from the ground up" for me despite the math being simple. I was quite proud of that.

Tenemo 1y ago
So what was the issue the CTO had with vibe coding? Had you disclosed to then that you used LLMs for coding "basic" features outside the math and whatnot?
- MarcelOlsz 1y ago
  The hiring manager told me that they were getting a lot of "signal to noise" ratio in terms of their hiring, where they'd bring someone on-site who had a good assignment and apparently more often than not, these candidates would shit the bed in a live environment. So the CTO made a live take-home assignment and didn't tell anyone. I was told that he did this to weed out the low signal-to-noise people they dealt with recently. >Had you disclosed to then that you used LLMs for coding "basic" features outside the math and whatnot? No it seems completely immaterial. I'll happily talk about it if asked but it's just another tool in the shed. Great for scaffolding but makes me want to rip my hair out more often than not. If it doesn't one-shot something simple for me it has no use because it's infuriating to use. I didn't get into programming because I liked writing English.
- postsantum 1y ago
  CTO's previous job was at Palantir, perhaps he has some reasons to be paranoid

Tenemo 1y ago

There's even a rocket emoji in server console.logs... There are memes with ChatGPT and rocket emojis as a sign of AI use. The whole repo looks super vibe-coded, emojis, abundance of redundant comments, all in perfect English and grammar, and the readme also has that "chatty" feel to it. I'm not saying that using AI for take-home assignments is bad/unethical overall, but you need to be honest about it. If he was lying to them about not using any AI assistance to write all those emojis and folder structure map in the repo, then the CTO had a good nose and rightfully caught him.

MarcelOlsz 1y ago
Oh my god Becky, there's even a rocket emoji in the server console logs! Should I also be "honest" about tab-completion? Where do you draw the line? Maybe I should be punished for having an internet connection too. Using AI for docker/readme's/simple scaffolding I would have done anyways? Oh the horror! There was no lying because there was no discussion or mention of AI at all. Had they asked me, I'd have happily told them yes I obviously use AI to help me save time on grunt-work, I've been doing this stuff for like 15 years. It's an unpaid take-home assignment. You'd have to be smoking crack to think that I would be rawdogging this. Imagine if I had a family or a wife or an existing job? I'd dump them after getting linked their assignment document. Honestly at this point in the AI winter if you are a guy who has AI-inspired paranoia then I don't want to work for you because you are not "in the know".
- sarchertech 1y ago
  You have that you’re the founder of an AI company in your hacker news profile, and your take home looks completely vibe coded. Why in the world are you surprised that a hiring manager is a little suspicious about your coding skills? Given what you’ve said in your other comments, it seems like you used AI in a way that I wouldn’t have a problem with but just briefly looking through I can see how it would look suspicious.
  - MarcelOlsz 1y ago
    That's all well and good. Totally ask me about AI, I can talk a lot about it. Don't however, make me go through 99% of the interview process up until the very last stage (spanning weeks), and throw a live test in my face, and then have the hiring manager clarify that it's about "vibe coding paranoia". It negates the entire reason I did the take-home assignment.