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I can't imagine the world without Vulkan because while it is a lot lower level and more difficult to work with, it makes things like DXVK not only possible but

I can't imagine the world without Vulkan because while it is a lot lower level and more difficult to work with, it makes things like DXVK not only possible but quite performant. Gaming on Linux has been accelerated super strongly by projects like that.

pjmlp 1y ago
Gaming on Linux is doing just fine on Android/Linux. The problem is making gaming on GNU/Linux profitable, Vulkan will not fix that, while Proton is not a solution that will work out long term.
- mikestorrent 1y ago
  Nothing is ever going to be profitable on GNU/Linux except for using it to drive SaaS and other such schemes. People that use Linux on the desktop are, on average, much less likely to want to pay for any kind of software; this has been true for 30 years... Steam might change this, we'll see.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Relying on Microsoft being happy with Proton isn't a long term strategy, additionally no company management stays around forever.
    - connicpu 1y ago
      It doesn't matter what Microsoft thinks of Proton, Google v Oracle had a pretty solid outcome > In a 6–2 majority, the Court ruled that Google's use of the Java APIs was within the bounds of fair use, reversing the Federal Circuit Appeals Court ruling and remanding the case for further hearing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_...
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Keep wishing.
  - homebrewer 1y ago
    Sure. > Linux Beats Mac Dramatically In Humble Bundle Total Payments https://web.archive.org/web/20150415180723/http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/linux-beats-mac-dramatically-in-humble-bundle-total-payments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150415180723/http://www.thepow... > Linux users pay 3x that of Windows users for Humble Indie Bundle 3 https://web.archive.org/web/20111130182955/https://www.geek.com/articles/games/linux-users-pay-3x-that-of-windows-users-for-humble-indie-bundle-3-2011082/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111130182955/https://www.geek.... Old links precisely because it happened before or soon after Steam came to Linux.
- connicpu 1y ago
  As long as the Steam Deck remains popular, game developers do have an incentive to make sure their games work acceptably under Proton. I don't know why you think this isn't a viable long term strategy, the Win32 ABI is incredibly stable which is exactly what makes wine/proton work so well.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Zero effort, Valve is the one doing the work. Because apparently Linux folks haven't learnt the OS/2 lesson.

pjmlp 1y ago

Gaming on Linux is doing just fine on Android/Linux. The problem is making gaming on GNU/Linux profitable, Vulkan will not fix that, while Proton is not a solution that will work out long term.

mikestorrent 1y ago
Nothing is ever going to be profitable on GNU/Linux except for using it to drive SaaS and other such schemes. People that use Linux on the desktop are, on average, much less likely to want to pay for any kind of software; this has been true for 30 years... Steam might change this, we'll see.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Relying on Microsoft being happy with Proton isn't a long term strategy, additionally no company management stays around forever.
  - connicpu 1y ago
    It doesn't matter what Microsoft thinks of Proton, Google v Oracle had a pretty solid outcome > In a 6–2 majority, the Court ruled that Google's use of the Java APIs was within the bounds of fair use, reversing the Federal Circuit Appeals Court ruling and remanding the case for further hearing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_...
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Keep wishing.
- homebrewer 1y ago
  Sure. > Linux Beats Mac Dramatically In Humble Bundle Total Payments https://web.archive.org/web/20150415180723/http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/linux-beats-mac-dramatically-in-humble-bundle-total-payments/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150415180723/http://www.thepow... > Linux users pay 3x that of Windows users for Humble Indie Bundle 3 https://web.archive.org/web/20111130182955/https://www.geek.com/articles/games/linux-users-pay-3x-that-of-windows-users-for-humble-indie-bundle-3-2011082/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111130182955/https://www.geek.... Old links precisely because it happened before or soon after Steam came to Linux.
connicpu 1y ago
As long as the Steam Deck remains popular, game developers do have an incentive to make sure their games work acceptably under Proton. I don't know why you think this isn't a viable long term strategy, the Win32 ABI is incredibly stable which is exactly what makes wine/proton work so well.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Zero effort, Valve is the one doing the work. Because apparently Linux folks haven't learnt the OS/2 lesson.