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So nursing?

simianwords 1y ago
Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. Reduce barrier for both nurses and doctors. I don’t think having to study for 10-15 years to become an MD reflects in the marginal benefits. A couple of years is probably all you need.
- LambdaComplex 1y ago
  > Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. I think this sentence shows that you don't really understand the difference between the two jobs. Nurses and physicians have wildly different training/education. There are things about the body that any first year medical student could tell you, that nurses never learn even after decades of experience (because they don't need to).
  - simianwords 1y ago
    You didn’t read my post. I literally wrote training doesn’t matter. An intelligent nurse without a formal medical background but with enough experience can outperform a doctor. Maybe you can give the nurse a year or two of formal medicine theory as a certification that allows them to become a doctor.
    - LambdaComplex 1y ago
      What would you define as "a formal medical background?" Schooling? The schooling that nurses and physicians receive is very different.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. We already do this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_practitioner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_practitioner
- labcomputer 1y ago
  So one problem with a nurse -> MD career track is that they are just fundamentally different roles. It's not (just) number of years of schooling, but what they study. Nurses don't do diagnoses or prescriptions, and don't receive much if any formal training in those areas. So I'm doubtful you can make up that difference with just on the job training (though doctors who were once nurses might be better doctors). That said, I think that a RN -> NP career track with some kind of "executive NP" program (analogous to "executive MBA"), followed by supervision under an MD and eventually graduating to full autonomy, is an interesting idea.

So nursing?

Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. Reduce barrier for both nurses and doctors. I don’t think having to study for 10-15 years to become an MD reflects in the marginal benefits. A couple of years is probably all you need.

LambdaComplex 1y ago
> Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. I think this sentence shows that you don't really understand the difference between the two jobs. Nurses and physicians have wildly different training/education. There are things about the body that any first year medical student could tell you, that nurses never learn even after decades of experience (because they don't need to).
- simianwords 1y ago
  You didn’t read my post. I literally wrote training doesn’t matter. An intelligent nurse without a formal medical background but with enough experience can outperform a doctor. Maybe you can give the nurse a year or two of formal medicine theory as a certification that allows them to become a doctor.
  - LambdaComplex 1y ago
    What would you define as "a formal medical background?" Schooling? The schooling that nurses and physicians receive is very different.
ceejayoz 1y ago
> Increase nurses, allow them to get promoted to doctors. We already do this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_practitioner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_practitioner
labcomputer 1y ago
So one problem with a nurse -> MD career track is that they are just fundamentally different roles. It's not (just) number of years of schooling, but what they study. Nurses don't do diagnoses or prescriptions, and don't receive much if any formal training in those areas. So I'm doubtful you can make up that difference with just on the job training (though doctors who were once nurses might be better doctors). That said, I think that a RN -> NP career track with some kind of "executive NP" program (analogous to "executive MBA"), followed by supervision under an MD and eventually graduating to full autonomy, is an interesting idea.