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> For certain, the elimination of all alcohol will help everyone achieve more in life. If this triggers you, consider you may have a drug problem. Oh please.

> For certain, the elimination of all alcohol will help everyone achieve more in life. If this triggers you, consider you may have a drug problem. Oh please. What a puritanical take. There is nothing wrong with the moderate consumption of alcohol - a glass of wine a week is hardly dependency.

barbazoo 1y ago
If it’s a requirement, it is a dependency.
- codeduck 1y ago
  And if it's not a requirement, but simply something that is enjoyed? What utter tosh.
  - barbazoo 1y ago
    If one requires it to achieve enjoyment then it’s a dependency. It’s not a controversial or unusual thing. We got to be honest to ourselves.
    - codeduck 1y ago
      I'm at the "whatever" stage of this thread. Gods luck with that.
- ada1981 1y ago
  A mentor once shared.. How do you know if you have a drug and alcohol problem? 1. Do you have problems in your life? 2. Do you use drugs or alcohol? Turns out to be a pretty useful mental model.
mystraline 1y ago
Unfortunately, theres been enough recent papers that indicate alcohol is a carcinogen that causes various types of cancers (colorectal, breast, liver, mouth, voice box, throat and esophageal). And evidently even small amounts raise this carcinogenic risk. I'll still cook with red wine/meat sauces and white wine/seafood. But at least right now, am reconsidering any alcohol past 20%. Just look up alcohol cancer risk. Tons of articles from reputable journals. Emotional or religious crap doesn't get me to accept. Science does, and it seems to corroborate. Even if you leave out US government sources for potential compromise of ethics, there are still a great deal of primary journal sources. https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/most-americans-unaware-of-cancer-risks-associated-with-drinking-.h00-159776445.html https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/most-americans-unaware-o... Long story short: dont drink alcohol.
- codeduck 1y ago
  And yet it has also has a significant beneficial effect in the reduction the chance of developing cardiovascular disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521683/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521683/ As in all things, informed moderation is the key.
  - ada1981 1y ago
    This is due to primarily resveratrol, not alcohol. You can simply eat red grape skin or take supplements. Also, in these studies the amount of reservatorl used in vitro is at levels you would rarely see in human consumption.
ada1981 1y ago
Incorrect.

barbazoo 1y ago

If it’s a requirement, it is a dependency.

codeduck 1y ago
And if it's not a requirement, but simply something that is enjoyed? What utter tosh.
- barbazoo 1y ago
  If one requires it to achieve enjoyment then it’s a dependency. It’s not a controversial or unusual thing. We got to be honest to ourselves.
  - codeduck 1y ago
    I'm at the "whatever" stage of this thread. Gods luck with that.
ada1981 1y ago
A mentor once shared.. How do you know if you have a drug and alcohol problem? 1. Do you have problems in your life? 2. Do you use drugs or alcohol? Turns out to be a pretty useful mental model.

mystraline 1y ago

Unfortunately, theres been enough recent papers that indicate alcohol is a carcinogen that causes various types of cancers (colorectal, breast, liver, mouth, voice box, throat and esophageal). And evidently even small amounts raise this carcinogenic risk. I'll still cook with red wine/meat sauces and white wine/seafood. But at least right now, am reconsidering any alcohol past 20%. Just look up alcohol cancer risk. Tons of articles from reputable journals. Emotional or religious crap doesn't get me to accept. Science does, and it seems to corroborate. Even if you leave out US government sources for potential compromise of ethics, there are still a great deal of primary journal sources. https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/most-americans-unaware-of-cancer-risks-associated-with-drinking-.h00-159776445.html https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/most-americans-unaware-o... Long story short: dont drink alcohol.

codeduck 1y ago
And yet it has also has a significant beneficial effect in the reduction the chance of developing cardiovascular disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521683/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521683/ As in all things, informed moderation is the key.
- ada1981 1y ago
  This is due to primarily resveratrol, not alcohol. You can simply eat red grape skin or take supplements. Also, in these studies the amount of reservatorl used in vitro is at levels you would rarely see in human consumption.

ada1981 1y ago

Incorrect.