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This really shows up how much of our security is theatre - if people can get into the wheel well of a flight landing at Heathrow there's very little stopping so

by ZoFreX 14y ago

This really shows up how much of our security is theatre - if people can get into the wheel well of a flight landing at Heathrow there's very little stopping someone putting a bomb there. Yet legitimate, paying travellers have to jump through all the hoops.

njharman 14y ago
I did not see statistics on # of people stopped, # of people who were deterred, and less than a 100 succeeded in hundreds of thousands of flights. Attempting to stop people or bombs in under carriage would EXACTLY BE SECURITY THEATER. That is an overreaction to insignificant but recently hyped/fear mongered threat that results in no statistically significant reduction in risk. But, writes up good in the papers. People thinking like you are why security theater can exist.
- ZoFreX 14y ago
  The statistics lacking is a very good point, and a large oversight on my part. However, I wasn't saying that we should be trying to stop this. I meant to show up, conversely, that a lot of the existing security is there merely for show.
pvarangot 14y ago
The guy most likely got into the wheel in another less secure airport, and fell near heathrow when the plane was preparing for landing.
- bduerst 14y ago
  So close.
danielweber 14y ago
Keeping bombs out of the cargo bay is one of the things we seem to do very well, and has little to do with all the screenings we instituted since 9/11. How many planes have been bombed by someone sneaking something into the wheel well?
- run4yourlives 14y ago
  None, yet. I can't imagine it would be too hard to place a bomb in the wheel well of a plane parked in Nairobi, for example. The biggest issue would be avoiding the pilot's pre-flight check. That wouldn't be to hard to do if you are a member of a ground crew that has access to the aircraft after the pilot is on board. BTW, we keep bombs out of the cargo area well because there was a time we didn't do this well at all. Then this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 along with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
- lmm 14y ago
  How many planes have been bombed full stop? As an attacker, why would you ever try to bomb a plane? Unlike a hostage-taking/hijacking where there are obvious advantages to being in a plane, if you just want to plant a bomb and kill some people you can do that much more easily in a building, or on a train, or...

by ZoFreX 14y ago

njharman 14y ago

I did not see statistics on # of people stopped, # of people who were deterred, and less than a 100 succeeded in hundreds of thousands of flights. Attempting to stop people or bombs in under carriage would EXACTLY BE SECURITY THEATER. That is an overreaction to insignificant but recently hyped/fear mongered threat that results in no statistically significant reduction in risk. But, writes up good in the papers. People thinking like you are why security theater can exist.

ZoFreX 14y ago
The statistics lacking is a very good point, and a large oversight on my part. However, I wasn't saying that we should be trying to stop this. I meant to show up, conversely, that a lot of the existing security is there merely for show.

pvarangot 14y ago

The guy most likely got into the wheel in another less secure airport, and fell near heathrow when the plane was preparing for landing.

bduerst 14y ago
So close.

danielweber 14y ago

Keeping bombs out of the cargo bay is one of the things we seem to do very well, and has little to do with all the screenings we instituted since 9/11. How many planes have been bombed by someone sneaking something into the wheel well?

run4yourlives 14y ago
None, yet. I can't imagine it would be too hard to place a bomb in the wheel well of a plane parked in Nairobi, for example. The biggest issue would be avoiding the pilot's pre-flight check. That wouldn't be to hard to do if you are a member of a ground crew that has access to the aircraft after the pilot is on board. BTW, we keep bombs out of the cargo area well because there was a time we didn't do this well at all. Then this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 along with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
lmm 14y ago
How many planes have been bombed full stop? As an attacker, why would you ever try to bomb a plane? Unlike a hostage-taking/hijacking where there are obvious advantages to being in a plane, if you just want to plant a bomb and kill some people you can do that much more easily in a building, or on a train, or...