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Videos are a terrible way to convey logical arguments. It's much harder to skip back and forth, search for specific bits, etc ... . They're for entertainment, w

by n4r9 1y ago

Videos are a terrible way to convey logical arguments. It's much harder to skip back and forth, search for specific bits, etc ... . They're for entertainment, which encourages a suspension of critical thinking. If you're confident there's a solid argument to be made, make it in text so it can easily be analysed and challenged.

n4r9 1y ago
I watched the first ten minutes. It's the standard boring exercise of cherry picking a few theoretical physicists who weigh in on climate science despite having little to no experience in it.
- npoc 1y ago
  Well, I'm afraid that that only goes to prove errors in your intuition and critical thinking skills. Your facts are incorrect and your logic uses an appeal to (lack of) authority fallacy.
  - n4r9 1y ago
    The ten minutes I watched was one big appeal to authority. "Here's Doctor X, a highly respected scientist. Look at all the big name universities he's linked to. Listen to him waffle on about how he thinks climate science is corrupt." Appeal to authority is a dubious fallacy to invoke in the first place. If I need to assume something about (let's say) geology - which I know little about and haven't the time to research myself - I'm going to trust the general consensus of professional geologists. I'm not going to waste my time listening to a marine biologist who sounds like a crank and claims they've discovered that the whole field is bogus. "If you're interested in finding the truth, you'll at least" check out this (surprise surprise, textual) take-down of the movie, with a comprehensive set of links debunking (in, surprise surprise, text form) the hackneyed climate myths that it brings up: https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths.html https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of...
    - npoc 1y ago
      > The ten minutes I watched was one big appeal to authority. "Here's Doctor X, a highly respected scientist. Look at all the big name universities he's linked to. Fair point. Although two wrongs don't make a right. > If I need to assume something about (let's say) geology - which I know little about and haven't the time to research myself - I'm going to trust the general consensus of professional geologists. This is the intelligent, inituitive approach - I agree. However one of the main points that the documentary makes is that there's a hidden corruption involved which means that in the case of climate this is actually the wrong approach to take. The combined state and money printer-backed financial system has an enormous incentive to encourage scientists to find a global climate crisis, and because most scientists rely on government funding, they in turn have enormous incentives to produce statistics that align with this, or else lose their funding. The so-called climate experts that are presented to you are in fact selected by this system because they produce work that aligns with the system's incentive to make people believe there is a climate crisis. This corruption all stems from the fact that we gave a few questionable people a money printer, and decades later they're getting closer and closer in their ultimate goal of enslaving the world. https://x.com/OppCostApp/status/1952831340597948565 https://x.com/OppCostApp/status/1952831340597948565 (only a two minute video this time) Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" or "Broken Money" by Alden for the full story.
      - n4r9 1y ago
        This might be a compelling take except that many climate deniers/skeptics - including several featuring in that movie - are funded by fossil fuel companies and right-wing think tanks.
        npoc 1y ago
        Define "right-wing". Ultimately either the evidence is correct or it's not, no matter how it's funded. This documentary demonstrates how much of the current mainstream evidence is in fact incorrect, explains why it's incorrect (both the errors and the incentives involved) and then provides evidence for why the small degree of measured warming over the last decades is both happening perfectly naturally and is not very significant compared to periods in the history of mankind. You must at least admit that much of the evidence backing the climate "crisis" we have been fed over the last decades was actually just projections from models. Models that have generally been proven to be completely wrong. If you take a look for real evidence of detrimental effects from any change in the climate, it's simply not there.
npoc 1y ago
I disagree completely. Videos allow you to time-stamp exact moments for reference and provide animated evidence, rather than just stills. Some videos are meant for entertainment, others are not. Same goes for books and other text-based media. Life itself is presented to our brains in a dynamic audio-visual format - does that encourage the suspension of critical thinking, or does it provide more nuance not available in just words and static pictures?
- n4r9 1y ago
  > Videos allow you to ... provide animated evidence. If you want to do that, far better to embed animations in a mostly-textual doc. > Life itself is presented to our brains in a dynamic audio-visual format ... does that encourage the suspension of critical thinking? Yes, to an extent. Or at least text allows critical thinking more easily than the average conversation does. Text makes it really easy to pause and think for a moment before reading on. Or to check back on something you vaguely remember reading beforehand. It's a more active form of ingest than watching a video. Video-makers have many more techniques at their disposal to slip their narrative past critical filters, such as varying the speed of delivery, or using music to invoke emotional reactions.

by n4r9 1y ago

n4r9 1y ago

I watched the first ten minutes. It's the standard boring exercise of cherry picking a few theoretical physicists who weigh in on climate science despite having little to no experience in it.

npoc 1y ago
Well, I'm afraid that that only goes to prove errors in your intuition and critical thinking skills. Your facts are incorrect and your logic uses an appeal to (lack of) authority fallacy.
- n4r9 1y ago
  The ten minutes I watched was one big appeal to authority. "Here's Doctor X, a highly respected scientist. Look at all the big name universities he's linked to. Listen to him waffle on about how he thinks climate science is corrupt." Appeal to authority is a dubious fallacy to invoke in the first place. If I need to assume something about (let's say) geology - which I know little about and haven't the time to research myself - I'm going to trust the general consensus of professional geologists. I'm not going to waste my time listening to a marine biologist who sounds like a crank and claims they've discovered that the whole field is bogus. "If you're interested in finding the truth, you'll at least" check out this (surprise surprise, textual) take-down of the movie, with a comprehensive set of links debunking (in, surprise surprise, text form) the hackneyed climate myths that it brings up: https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths.html https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of...
  - npoc 1y ago
    > The ten minutes I watched was one big appeal to authority. "Here's Doctor X, a highly respected scientist. Look at all the big name universities he's linked to. Fair point. Although two wrongs don't make a right. > If I need to assume something about (let's say) geology - which I know little about and haven't the time to research myself - I'm going to trust the general consensus of professional geologists. This is the intelligent, inituitive approach - I agree. However one of the main points that the documentary makes is that there's a hidden corruption involved which means that in the case of climate this is actually the wrong approach to take. The combined state and money printer-backed financial system has an enormous incentive to encourage scientists to find a global climate crisis, and because most scientists rely on government funding, they in turn have enormous incentives to produce statistics that align with this, or else lose their funding. The so-called climate experts that are presented to you are in fact selected by this system because they produce work that aligns with the system's incentive to make people believe there is a climate crisis. This corruption all stems from the fact that we gave a few questionable people a money printer, and decades later they're getting closer and closer in their ultimate goal of enslaving the world. https://x.com/OppCostApp/status/1952831340597948565 https://x.com/OppCostApp/status/1952831340597948565 (only a two minute video this time) Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" or "Broken Money" by Alden for the full story.
    - n4r9 1y ago
      This might be a compelling take except that many climate deniers/skeptics - including several featuring in that movie - are funded by fossil fuel companies and right-wing think tanks.
      - npoc 1y ago
        Define "right-wing". Ultimately either the evidence is correct or it's not, no matter how it's funded. This documentary demonstrates how much of the current mainstream evidence is in fact incorrect, explains why it's incorrect (both the errors and the incentives involved) and then provides evidence for why the small degree of measured warming over the last decades is both happening perfectly naturally and is not very significant compared to periods in the history of mankind. You must at least admit that much of the evidence backing the climate "crisis" we have been fed over the last decades was actually just projections from models. Models that have generally been proven to be completely wrong. If you take a look for real evidence of detrimental effects from any change in the climate, it's simply not there.

npoc 1y ago

I disagree completely. Videos allow you to time-stamp exact moments for reference and provide animated evidence, rather than just stills. Some videos are meant for entertainment, others are not. Same goes for books and other text-based media. Life itself is presented to our brains in a dynamic audio-visual format - does that encourage the suspension of critical thinking, or does it provide more nuance not available in just words and static pictures?

n4r9 1y ago
> Videos allow you to ... provide animated evidence. If you want to do that, far better to embed animations in a mostly-textual doc. > Life itself is presented to our brains in a dynamic audio-visual format ... does that encourage the suspension of critical thinking? Yes, to an extent. Or at least text allows critical thinking more easily than the average conversation does. Text makes it really easy to pause and think for a moment before reading on. Or to check back on something you vaguely remember reading beforehand. It's a more active form of ingest than watching a video. Video-makers have many more techniques at their disposal to slip their narrative past critical filters, such as varying the speed of delivery, or using music to invoke emotional reactions.