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Does anyone else cringe when they see so many examples of sexualised young women? Literally, Case 1/B has a women lifting up her skirt to reveal her underwear.

by throwaway2037 1y ago

Does anyone else cringe when they see so many examples of sexualised young women? Literally, Case 1/B has a women lifting up her skirt to reveal her underwear. For an otherwise very impressive model, you are spoiling the PR with this kind of immature content. Sheesh. I guess that confirms it: I am a old grumpy man! I count 26 examples with young women, and 9 examples with men. The only thing missing was "Lena": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna

shermantanktop 1y ago
My first reaction was the same, before I even knew what these demos represented. And of course I too am a grumpy old man.
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krapp 1y ago
I mean, what do you think the most common application of AI image generation is going to be?
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yomismoaqui 1y ago
Sex drives technology (even if we don't like it) VHS, online payments, video streaming... As the old song say it "the internet is porn"
ants_everywhere 1y ago
wait until you learn what prehistoric sculptors spent their time carving I read your comment before checking the site and then I saw case one was a child followed by a sexy maid and I thought "oh no dear god" before I realized they weren't combining them into a single image.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > wait until you learn what prehistoric sculptors spent their time carving Careful not to project your own ideas onto prehistoric sculpture.
  - ants_everywhere 1y ago
    the archeological evidence is rather consistent and clear. I'm aware of critiques trying to change the interpretation of what the female figures are for, but nobody denies that they are naked female figures. And the critiques don't seem to have found much purchase among archeologists.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      > the archeological evidence is rather consistent and clear. What are you referring to? > but nobody denies that they are naked female figures. No, but the suggestion above that they were the prehistoric equivalent to cartoons of school girls lifting their skirts hasn't been the dominant theory for about thirty years. > And the critiques don't seem to have found much purchase among archeologists. This is simply incorrect. They became part of the general archeological discourse as far back as the 1990s and are now a normal part of any such discussion. Multiple theories now coexist and to frame those critical of the original Venus ideas as being somehow more fringe than the fertility/pornography theories is just misleading.
      - ants_everywhere 1y ago
        I assume you're referring to the Catherine McCoid decolonizing gender stuff from the 90s? That is still talked about, but I'm not aware of it being taken seriously as a theory. There are multiple theories yes, but they aren't substantially varied. We also have a whole lineage of art from the prehistoric age to today and more figures than we did in the 1990s. Art from every period includes nude representations of women. The more recent art (which we are able to say more about)have connections to goddesses and fertility/reproduction/sex. The continuity of art suggests there should be a continuity of explanation. But the McCoid theory handles the oldest art as a special case different in kind from art that didn't come long after. Even among the competing hypotheses, they're more closely related than many people realize. This is because religion, sex and fertility were more closely related in the ancient world than they are today. See, for example, temple prostitution. The one outlier among the current theories I'm aware of is that the figures are supposed to show you what obese people look like. The evidence for that isn't great. For example the 2012 Dixson paper is based on having college students rate the statues for attractiveness, which seems like it's going to tell you nothing useful about the statues. But even they say the statues were about survival and reproduction, e.g. > They may, instead, have symbolized the hope for survival and for the attainment of a well-nourished (and thus reproductively successful) maturity, during the harshest period of the major glaciation in Europe.
HeartStrings 1y ago
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FearNotDaniel 1y ago
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- sunaookami 1y ago
  >normalising paedophilia these days These arguments are so tiring, always arguing in bad faith. It's government-level "think of the children" arguments when it's about a simple drawing.
GNaLVEre 1y ago
I had to scroll down way too long for someone to point this out. Its messed up how casually racialised all these image gen examples are towards young asian women.

shermantanktop 1y ago

My first reaction was the same, before I even knew what these demos represented. And of course I too am a grumpy old man.

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krapp 1y ago

I mean, what do you think the most common application of AI image generation is going to be?

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yomismoaqui 1y ago

Sex drives technology (even if we don't like it) VHS, online payments, video streaming... As the old song say it "the internet is porn"

ants_everywhere 1y ago

wait until you learn what prehistoric sculptors spent their time carving I read your comment before checking the site and then I saw case one was a child followed by a sexy maid and I thought "oh no dear god" before I realized they weren't combining them into a single image.

AlecSchueler 1y ago
> wait until you learn what prehistoric sculptors spent their time carving Careful not to project your own ideas onto prehistoric sculpture.
- ants_everywhere 1y ago
  the archeological evidence is rather consistent and clear. I'm aware of critiques trying to change the interpretation of what the female figures are for, but nobody denies that they are naked female figures. And the critiques don't seem to have found much purchase among archeologists.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > the archeological evidence is rather consistent and clear. What are you referring to? > but nobody denies that they are naked female figures. No, but the suggestion above that they were the prehistoric equivalent to cartoons of school girls lifting their skirts hasn't been the dominant theory for about thirty years. > And the critiques don't seem to have found much purchase among archeologists. This is simply incorrect. They became part of the general archeological discourse as far back as the 1990s and are now a normal part of any such discussion. Multiple theories now coexist and to frame those critical of the original Venus ideas as being somehow more fringe than the fertility/pornography theories is just misleading.
    - ants_everywhere 1y ago
      I assume you're referring to the Catherine McCoid decolonizing gender stuff from the 90s? That is still talked about, but I'm not aware of it being taken seriously as a theory. There are multiple theories yes, but they aren't substantially varied. We also have a whole lineage of art from the prehistoric age to today and more figures than we did in the 1990s. Art from every period includes nude representations of women. The more recent art (which we are able to say more about)have connections to goddesses and fertility/reproduction/sex. The continuity of art suggests there should be a continuity of explanation. But the McCoid theory handles the oldest art as a special case different in kind from art that didn't come long after. Even among the competing hypotheses, they're more closely related than many people realize. This is because religion, sex and fertility were more closely related in the ancient world than they are today. See, for example, temple prostitution. The one outlier among the current theories I'm aware of is that the figures are supposed to show you what obese people look like. The evidence for that isn't great. For example the 2012 Dixson paper is based on having college students rate the statues for attractiveness, which seems like it's going to tell you nothing useful about the statues. But even they say the statues were about survival and reproduction, e.g. > They may, instead, have symbolized the hope for survival and for the attainment of a well-nourished (and thus reproductively successful) maturity, during the harshest period of the major glaciation in Europe.

HeartStrings 1y ago

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FearNotDaniel 1y ago

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sunaookami 1y ago
>normalising paedophilia these days These arguments are so tiring, always arguing in bad faith. It's government-level "think of the children" arguments when it's about a simple drawing.

GNaLVEre 1y ago

I had to scroll down way too long for someone to point this out. Its messed up how casually racialised all these image gen examples are towards young asian women.