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Because selling devices is orthogonal to maintaining a marketplace and dozens of APIs for third parties to use, and the latter can be charged for as well.

ksec 1y ago
If EU doesn't demand for those API to be free, may be Apple could just have terms and cost for those API to be charged? Basically like Lightning adoptor where Apple collects dollars on accessories sold. I agree on both side some money needs to be exchanged in terms of features and Apple cant have it all to themselves. But currently it doesn't seems both side is listening and no middle ground. One side wants it all for free, the other side dont want their money and wants to keep everything themselves.
- shuckles 1y ago
  Apple proposed something like this with their "Core Technology Fee" which the EU commissioners were upset about. They literally do not want to let Apple directly monetize the R&D it takes to produce an application platform.
  - ksec 1y ago
    I think there is a different in Core Technology Fee and let say Apple Translation Software Fees. One is too broad while another one is specific. Apple could theoretically give away that translation software as bundle of AirPod. And see that software for a cost to other user or third party.
  - cyberax 1y ago
    Yeah, because this fee was crazy unreasonable (50 cents per app download).
    - shuckles 1y ago
      Who are you to say what a reasonable price is for Apple’s intellectual property?
      - cyberax 1y ago
        For developers? $0.0 for app publishing. Bandwidth cost for download. We can use AWS egress fees as guidance. Let's see... How much should Apple pay to the European Union to be allowed to sell devices there? I say 50% of gross income?
        shuckles 1y ago
        If we’re posting uneconomic nonsense like it’s Reddit, might as well go big and propose a 99% tax on gross income.
        cyberax 1y ago
        Sure. Totally agree. Maybe even transfer the control of Apple to the EU Commission. They violated the law, so they deserve to be properly disciplined for that.
      - dns_snek 1y ago
        The EU, that's who. The law exists because these policies stifle competition and prevent the proper functioning of the free market and the DMA is a small step to restore the competitive balance. It's bizarre that you're even framing this conversation in this way - who are you to say how Apple is allowed to behave, and how anti-competitive they deserve to be on the EU market? Are you under the impression that corporations like Apple should wield more power than world governments? They shouldn't and they don't, but they think they can bully the EU into submission. They wouldn't dare pull this crap in China, they make every concession to be allowed access to the Chinese market. Yet the EU is expected to ask dear Apple for permission to be allowed to regulate their destructive anti-competitive behavior? Insanity.
        coldtea 1y ago

ksec 1y ago

If EU doesn't demand for those API to be free, may be Apple could just have terms and cost for those API to be charged? Basically like Lightning adoptor where Apple collects dollars on accessories sold. I agree on both side some money needs to be exchanged in terms of features and Apple cant have it all to themselves. But currently it doesn't seems both side is listening and no middle ground. One side wants it all for free, the other side dont want their money and wants to keep everything themselves.

shuckles 1y ago
Apple proposed something like this with their "Core Technology Fee" which the EU commissioners were upset about. They literally do not want to let Apple directly monetize the R&D it takes to produce an application platform.
- ksec 1y ago
  I think there is a different in Core Technology Fee and let say Apple Translation Software Fees. One is too broad while another one is specific. Apple could theoretically give away that translation software as bundle of AirPod. And see that software for a cost to other user or third party.
- cyberax 1y ago
  Yeah, because this fee was crazy unreasonable (50 cents per app download).
  - shuckles 1y ago
    Who are you to say what a reasonable price is for Apple’s intellectual property?
    - cyberax 1y ago
      For developers? $0.0 for app publishing. Bandwidth cost for download. We can use AWS egress fees as guidance. Let's see... How much should Apple pay to the European Union to be allowed to sell devices there? I say 50% of gross income?
      - shuckles 1y ago
        If we’re posting uneconomic nonsense like it’s Reddit, might as well go big and propose a 99% tax on gross income.
        cyberax 1y ago
        Sure. Totally agree. Maybe even transfer the control of Apple to the EU Commission. They violated the law, so they deserve to be properly disciplined for that.
    - dns_snek 1y ago
      The EU, that's who. The law exists because these policies stifle competition and prevent the proper functioning of the free market and the DMA is a small step to restore the competitive balance. It's bizarre that you're even framing this conversation in this way - who are you to say how Apple is allowed to behave, and how anti-competitive they deserve to be on the EU market? Are you under the impression that corporations like Apple should wield more power than world governments? They shouldn't and they don't, but they think they can bully the EU into submission. They wouldn't dare pull this crap in China, they make every concession to be allowed access to the Chinese market. Yet the EU is expected to ask dear Apple for permission to be allowed to regulate their destructive anti-competitive behavior? Insanity.
      - coldtea 1y ago