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>One could find systemic examples of inflammatory rethoric from almost anyone in US politics Show me one example of any of those figures you listed inciting vi

>One could find systemic examples of inflammatory rethoric from almost anyone in US politics Show me one example of any of those figures you listed inciting violence. I'm waiting. "inflammatory rhetoric" is not the same as saying "the Left is a national security problem"

Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
Ok, since you are waiting, I'll spend a few minutes fetching you easily available quotes. Obama: - "If they bring a knife to the fight, we're going to bring a gun." [0] Biden: - "If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him" [1] - "We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye." [2] - the whole "Darth Biden" event speech was filled with statements framing political opponents as enemies of the country, kinda sinister from the head of the most powerful state in the world, no? ("Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.", etc) [3] Waltz: - "When it’s an adult like Donald Trump, you bully the shit out of him back." [4] - "I tell you that... because we need to whip his butt and put this guy behind us." [5] Newsome: - "But right now, with all due respect, we’re walking down a damn different path. We’re fighting fire with fire. And we’re gonna punch these sons of bitches in the mouth." [6] (apologies for the Twitter link, didn't find direct video elsewhere) Would that be enough? [0]: https://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/obama-guns-and-the-untouchables/ https://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/obama-guns-and-the-untouch... [1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/Joe-biden-donald-trump/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/Joe-biden-donald... [2]: https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/biden-defends-bullseye-remark-about-trump-during-nbc-interview-with-lester-holt-i-didnt-say-crosshairs/ https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/biden-defends-bullseye... [3]: https://www.newsweek.com/read-everything-joe-biden-said-his-soul-nation-speech-1739192 https://www.newsweek.com/read-everything-joe-biden-said-his-... [4]: https://www.startribune.com/in-key-2028-state-tim-walz-says-democrats-need-to-beat-the-hell-out-of-these-dictators/601364648 https://www.startribune.com/in-key-2028-state-tim-walz-says-... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tim-walz-breaks-free-bubble-rcna175726 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tim-walz-brea... [6]: https://x.com/amuse/status/1958827049348407350 https://x.com/amuse/status/1958827049348407350
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  Those comments are in poor taste. Biden himself apologized after the attempt on Trump's life. That said, these pale in comparison to Trump's many, many endorsements of or acceptance of violence. Even mocking an attack on Pelosi's husband. I've never heard Trump apologize for his words, actions, or inactions. He could not even be bothered to call the governor of a state whose elected representatives were attacked, saying even to speak would be a "waste of time". Only when one of his sycophants is harmed does he suddenly see a serious problem. In fact Trump pardoned those who violently attacked national police as the attackers sought to disrupt the transfer of power. (Some of whom went on to rape and murder others.) The very people he urged to "fight like hell", and he endorsed by waiting to see whether they would succeed before changing his tune. Meanwhile Democrats prosecute their own for violence and corruption. Trump acts like a mob boss. Doing and saying whatever he wants, and punishing those who oppose him with whatever means he thinks he can get away with. Even boasting that his supporters would stand by him if he shot someone on a famous public street.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
    Sure, they are in poor taste. What is telling, however, is bias: Trump gets labelled as 'fascist' for saying 'fight like hell', but Waltz just gets a pass because for the exact same words, because that was just poor taste. It is also telling that you weren't content with just stopping after the words 'disrupt the transfer of power', but felt necessary to add smear about rape and murder. I am not willing to even verify the veracity of this claim, and will just ask you this: how many of those who took part in BLM riots were convicted for rape and murder crimes, likely quite a few, right? Should we bring that in every conversation on every action supported by the politicians that you support? > Meanwhile Democrats prosecute their own for violence and corruption. No, they don't. They do, however, openly prosecute their political adversaries for fabricated crimes. It was quite characteristic that democrat-friendly talking heads spent months in late 2020-early 2021 how Trump is going to issue a presidential pardon for himself and his allies, and then Biden, four years later, did just that. I am not Trump supporter. I'm just telling you that you are extremely biased and unwilling discuss politics in good faith: you just know what truth is and consider everyone who disagrees as being wrong or stupid or evil. That is exactly kind of mindset and rhetoric that inspired someone to kill Kirk. He was such a bad fascist, after all!

Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago

Ok, since you are waiting, I'll spend a few minutes fetching you easily available quotes. Obama: - "If they bring a knife to the fight, we're going to bring a gun." [0] Biden: - "If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him" [1] - "We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye." [2] - the whole "Darth Biden" event speech was filled with statements framing political opponents as enemies of the country, kinda sinister from the head of the most powerful state in the world, no? ("Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.", etc) [3] Waltz: - "When it’s an adult like Donald Trump, you bully the shit out of him back." [4] - "I tell you that... because we need to whip his butt and put this guy behind us." [5] Newsome: - "But right now, with all due respect, we’re walking down a damn different path. We’re fighting fire with fire. And we’re gonna punch these sons of bitches in the mouth." [6] (apologies for the Twitter link, didn't find direct video elsewhere) Would that be enough? [0]: https://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/obama-guns-and-the-untouchables/ https://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/obama-guns-and-the-untouch... [1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/Joe-biden-donald-trump/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/Joe-biden-donald... [2]: https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/biden-defends-bullseye-remark-about-trump-during-nbc-interview-with-lester-holt-i-didnt-say-crosshairs/ https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/biden-defends-bullseye... [3]: https://www.newsweek.com/read-everything-joe-biden-said-his-soul-nation-speech-1739192 https://www.newsweek.com/read-everything-joe-biden-said-his-... [4]: https://www.startribune.com/in-key-2028-state-tim-walz-says-democrats-need-to-beat-the-hell-out-of-these-dictators/601364648 https://www.startribune.com/in-key-2028-state-tim-walz-says-... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tim-walz-breaks-free-bubble-rcna175726 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tim-walz-brea... [6]: https://x.com/amuse/status/1958827049348407350 https://x.com/amuse/status/1958827049348407350

paulryanrogers 1y ago
Those comments are in poor taste. Biden himself apologized after the attempt on Trump's life. That said, these pale in comparison to Trump's many, many endorsements of or acceptance of violence. Even mocking an attack on Pelosi's husband. I've never heard Trump apologize for his words, actions, or inactions. He could not even be bothered to call the governor of a state whose elected representatives were attacked, saying even to speak would be a "waste of time". Only when one of his sycophants is harmed does he suddenly see a serious problem. In fact Trump pardoned those who violently attacked national police as the attackers sought to disrupt the transfer of power. (Some of whom went on to rape and murder others.) The very people he urged to "fight like hell", and he endorsed by waiting to see whether they would succeed before changing his tune. Meanwhile Democrats prosecute their own for violence and corruption. Trump acts like a mob boss. Doing and saying whatever he wants, and punishing those who oppose him with whatever means he thinks he can get away with. Even boasting that his supporters would stand by him if he shot someone on a famous public street.
- Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
  Sure, they are in poor taste. What is telling, however, is bias: Trump gets labelled as 'fascist' for saying 'fight like hell', but Waltz just gets a pass because for the exact same words, because that was just poor taste. It is also telling that you weren't content with just stopping after the words 'disrupt the transfer of power', but felt necessary to add smear about rape and murder. I am not willing to even verify the veracity of this claim, and will just ask you this: how many of those who took part in BLM riots were convicted for rape and murder crimes, likely quite a few, right? Should we bring that in every conversation on every action supported by the politicians that you support? > Meanwhile Democrats prosecute their own for violence and corruption. No, they don't. They do, however, openly prosecute their political adversaries for fabricated crimes. It was quite characteristic that democrat-friendly talking heads spent months in late 2020-early 2021 how Trump is going to issue a presidential pardon for himself and his allies, and then Biden, four years later, did just that. I am not Trump supporter. I'm just telling you that you are extremely biased and unwilling discuss politics in good faith: you just know what truth is and consider everyone who disagrees as being wrong or stupid or evil. That is exactly kind of mindset and rhetoric that inspired someone to kill Kirk. He was such a bad fascist, after all!