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You didn’t look at the prices of other “Google assistant” compatible headphones did you? And those Sony ones aren’t cheap. The first review I found comparing

You didn’t look at the prices of other “Google assistant” compatible headphones did you? And those Sony ones aren’t cheap. The first review I found comparing them.. https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ Why would I want to by a none Apple laptop with horrible battery life, loud, and that produces enough heat to ensure that I don’t have offspring if I actually put it on my lap?

ioasuncvinvaer 1y ago
Over the course of this thread your argument went from "It's not technically possible" and "they will have to train their own models" to "I don't want to buy certain devices".
- JustExAWS 1y ago
  No I said it wasn’t technically possible on any cheap headphones because while the processing was done on the phone, the audio capture was done by the outside microphones on Apple headphones that have ANC and even the older ones of those required Apple to update the firmware on its own AirPods working in concert. This is no different than Google not supporting just any old headphones. Then the argument came that Apple’s AirPods are “overpriced” even though the cheapest AirPods that support it - AirPods 4 with ANC are in the same price range as Google’s and cheaper than the worse sounding and more expensive Sony Earbuds.
renewiltord 1y ago
I prefer the Apple ecosystem myself but the Sony WF-1000XM are frequently available on sale (refurb WF-1000XM5 are $110 right now). I used to have the WH-1000XM3 (over the ear) and those are good too. The whole argument seems kind of silly. Just buy the platform you want that has the features you want. If the European thinks Apple is overpriced then it's no harm that they aren't bringing features to Europe. He wasn't going to buy them and now is going to not buy them even harder.
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago
  As a reminder, the initial argument was that Apple doesn’t bring their feature to Europe because they would have to open it via an API to their competitors. Someone replied that it’s not a refusal but a technical impossibility which is easily countered by Google having done just that for years. The fact that it’s heavily downvoted despite being factually completely correct is actually hilarious to me. The rest, which is to say that everything Apple sells beside laptops is subpar, their strategy regarding European regulations deprive them of any credibility when they pretend to care about consumers and their prices conversion in Europe is daylight robbery, is just my opinion and accessory to the discussion. I just couldn’t help myself.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    No one said it’s a “technical impossibility”. The original statement was that it wouldn’t work on any cheap headphones. It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio. Even then, there was some work done between the headphones and the phone and the firmware of the AirPods 2 had to be updated. You aren’t going to save any money by getting a pair of $50 ANC headphones and hoping they work with the system - the Android variant doesn’t.
    - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
      > It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio. Absolutely not. It assumed the AirPods Pro 2 unique processing was required which it clearly isn’t. Nobody ever talked about saving money. The whole discussion is about the EU mandating Apple play fair which would mean letting competitors access their phone processing exactly like Google is already doing.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        > Nobody ever talked about saving money. You didn’t say this? > But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones > which sounds worse than Sony, And the Sony headphones sound worse and are more expensive. > only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop Which also isn’t true.

ioasuncvinvaer 1y ago

Over the course of this thread your argument went from "It's not technically possible" and "they will have to train their own models" to "I don't want to buy certain devices".

JustExAWS 1y ago
No I said it wasn’t technically possible on any cheap headphones because while the processing was done on the phone, the audio capture was done by the outside microphones on Apple headphones that have ANC and even the older ones of those required Apple to update the firmware on its own AirPods working in concert. This is no different than Google not supporting just any old headphones. Then the argument came that Apple’s AirPods are “overpriced” even though the cheapest AirPods that support it - AirPods 4 with ANC are in the same price range as Google’s and cheaper than the worse sounding and more expensive Sony Earbuds.

renewiltord 1y ago

I prefer the Apple ecosystem myself but the Sony WF-1000XM are frequently available on sale (refurb WF-1000XM5 are $110 right now). I used to have the WH-1000XM3 (over the ear) and those are good too. The whole argument seems kind of silly. Just buy the platform you want that has the features you want. If the European thinks Apple is overpriced then it's no harm that they aren't bringing features to Europe. He wasn't going to buy them and now is going to not buy them even harder.

StopDisinfo910 1y ago
As a reminder, the initial argument was that Apple doesn’t bring their feature to Europe because they would have to open it via an API to their competitors. Someone replied that it’s not a refusal but a technical impossibility which is easily countered by Google having done just that for years. The fact that it’s heavily downvoted despite being factually completely correct is actually hilarious to me. The rest, which is to say that everything Apple sells beside laptops is subpar, their strategy regarding European regulations deprive them of any credibility when they pretend to care about consumers and their prices conversion in Europe is daylight robbery, is just my opinion and accessory to the discussion. I just couldn’t help myself.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  No one said it’s a “technical impossibility”. The original statement was that it wouldn’t work on any cheap headphones. It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio. Even then, there was some work done between the headphones and the phone and the firmware of the AirPods 2 had to be updated. You aren’t going to save any money by getting a pair of $50 ANC headphones and hoping they work with the system - the Android variant doesn’t.
  - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
    > It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio. Absolutely not. It assumed the AirPods Pro 2 unique processing was required which it clearly isn’t. Nobody ever talked about saving money. The whole discussion is about the EU mandating Apple play fair which would mean letting competitors access their phone processing exactly like Google is already doing.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      > Nobody ever talked about saving money. You didn’t say this? > But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones > which sounds worse than Sony, And the Sony headphones sound worse and are more expensive. > only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop Which also isn’t true.