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> Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. So let me get this straight, you didn't know who was Charlie Kirk, you only decided to look him up after he d

> Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. So let me get this straight, you didn't know who was Charlie Kirk, you only decided to look him up after he died, and you're so noncommittal about it that after 24 hours you still have no idea who he was (and why people hated him), and at the same time you're invested enough to write passive aggressive remarks on his haters? Someone's not being honest here.

mothballed 1y ago
I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] but also passive aggressive against haters. No matter what I say, there is a specious argument as to why I must just be a liar or a murderer-sympathizer and sometimes both at once! The truth is I like to debate people, even if I am bad at it, my knee-jerk without more information is I don't like the idea of a guy getting shot during a live debate when I know little about him beyond that's the thing he does. I can tell you on what little I've gathered, I don't agree with the guy on much of anything except some of his pro 2A beliefs, I have no particular reason to cover for him. I did watch a few of his videos shortly ago, he wasn't particularly persuasive and seemed to capitalize on debating people younger and less skilled than him, rather than attacking weakly defendable positions he just takes cheap shots at college kids knowing he's more polished than them. Still I'm not tracking why the world is a better place without him. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] If your best representation of this community is a new member, a 9 day old account with 2 karma, asking you a question, it's pretty clear we're not going to have a proper conversation here.
  - mothballed 1y ago
    I sincerely hope the great-grandparent comment is not a representation of this community, either. I will try and stay optimistic that there are higher quality comments, if nothing else, for something higher I can aspire to than comments calling others liar but in a nuanced enough way to reframe it as a someone dishonest. It's pretty clear we're not going to have a "proper conversation" if it's not OK for a knee-jerk reaction, when I know little about a guy, and no one has offered compelling evidence to the contrary, to be passive aggressive about an insane comment that a husband and father of little kids is better off dead. Absolutely unconscionable to me, unless this guy is going around violently attacking people or something.
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      The one mistake you don't want to make around here is to assume any sort of homogeneity among the commentariat. (I make that mistake myself more often than I should.) HN is a mixture of stereotypically left-leaning people, from high-school students to old-school cyberpunk activists, sharing threads with stereotypically right-leaning people from billionaire founders to ambitious wannabees. There is also no shortage of Trumpers around here, and no shortage of people whom the Trumpers would like to exile or worse. What doesn't go over well with any of these people is sea-lioning. The site guidelines explicitly require an assumption of good faith on the part of the people you're talking with. When you make it difficult to honor that rule by "just asking questions here," it tends to generate friction. Those who think you secretly agree with them may vote you up, while those who suspect otherwise may do the opposite. But nobody is ultimately fooled, and nobody is genuinely impressed.
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mothballed 1y ago

I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] but also passive aggressive against haters. No matter what I say, there is a specious argument as to why I must just be a liar or a murderer-sympathizer and sometimes both at once! The truth is I like to debate people, even if I am bad at it, my knee-jerk without more information is I don't like the idea of a guy getting shot during a live debate when I know little about him beyond that's the thing he does. I can tell you on what little I've gathered, I don't agree with the guy on much of anything except some of his pro 2A beliefs, I have no particular reason to cover for him. I did watch a few of his videos shortly ago, he wasn't particularly persuasive and seemed to capitalize on debating people younger and less skilled than him, rather than attacking weakly defendable positions he just takes cheap shots at college kids knowing he's more polished than them. Still I'm not tracking why the world is a better place without him. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304

johnnyanmac 1y ago
>I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] If your best representation of this community is a new member, a 9 day old account with 2 karma, asking you a question, it's pretty clear we're not going to have a proper conversation here.
- mothballed 1y ago
  I sincerely hope the great-grandparent comment is not a representation of this community, either. I will try and stay optimistic that there are higher quality comments, if nothing else, for something higher I can aspire to than comments calling others liar but in a nuanced enough way to reframe it as a someone dishonest. It's pretty clear we're not going to have a "proper conversation" if it's not OK for a knee-jerk reaction, when I know little about a guy, and no one has offered compelling evidence to the contrary, to be passive aggressive about an insane comment that a husband and father of little kids is better off dead. Absolutely unconscionable to me, unless this guy is going around violently attacking people or something.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    The one mistake you don't want to make around here is to assume any sort of homogeneity among the commentariat. (I make that mistake myself more often than I should.) HN is a mixture of stereotypically left-leaning people, from high-school students to old-school cyberpunk activists, sharing threads with stereotypically right-leaning people from billionaire founders to ambitious wannabees. There is also no shortage of Trumpers around here, and no shortage of people whom the Trumpers would like to exile or worse. What doesn't go over well with any of these people is sea-lioning. The site guidelines explicitly require an assumption of good faith on the part of the people you're talking with. When you make it difficult to honor that rule by "just asking questions here," it tends to generate friction. Those who think you secretly agree with them may vote you up, while those who suspect otherwise may do the opposite. But nobody is ultimately fooled, and nobody is genuinely impressed.
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