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Well it helped Charlie Kirk, in one aspect. I had no idea who he was, now I'm tempted to watch his videos and see what points he was making. I'm curious what

Well it helped Charlie Kirk, in one aspect. I had no idea who he was, now I'm tempted to watch his videos and see what points he was making. I'm curious what he has to say that a crazy guy and loads of people on social media seemed to think was so dangerous he needed to die for it.

techpineapple 1y ago
You're argument is that you think it's a good idea to base your intellectual curiosity on the <inverse> priorities of a raving madman? Do you think that insanity is precise enough to understand the truly valuable ideas of the world, it just heads in the opposite direction? Better apparently than other methods of discerning valuable information?
- mothballed 1y ago
  I have lots of inputs to my curiosity. A guy I've never heard of getting assassinated and it making to the top of news, while a bunch of other people cheer it on, is one input. If I just randomly hear some guy was shot by the local schizophrenic, no I probably won't look up their videos.
CamperBob2 1y ago
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- mothballed 1y ago
  I don't really know much at all about the guy's political views, the bit about gang shootings is the only thing I've ever heard from his mouth. I am curious why the world is in a better place now that his wife and kids have to deal with the trauma and aftermath of picking up the pieces of their life and moving on. Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. He was basically the founder and figurehead of the MAGA youth movement. So he is probably as responsible as anyone for the election of Trump and all that has happened as a result. In my book that indeed makes him a pretty bad guy. Essentially, if you want to resort to the usual Nazi cliches, what happened here was that MAGA lost their Goebbels rather than their Horst Wessel.
  - yongjik 1y ago
    > Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. So let me get this straight, you didn't know who was Charlie Kirk, you only decided to look him up after he died, and you're so noncommittal about it that after 24 hours you still have no idea who he was (and why people hated him), and at the same time you're invested enough to write passive aggressive remarks on his haters? Someone's not being honest here.
    - mothballed 1y ago
      I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] but also passive aggressive against haters. No matter what I say, there is a specious argument as to why I must just be a liar or a murderer-sympathizer and sometimes both at once! The truth is I like to debate people, even if I am bad at it, my knee-jerk without more information is I don't like the idea of a guy getting shot during a live debate when I know little about him beyond that's the thing he does. I can tell you on what little I've gathered, I don't agree with the guy on much of anything except some of his pro 2A beliefs, I have no particular reason to cover for him. I did watch a few of his videos shortly ago, he wasn't particularly persuasive and seemed to capitalize on debating people younger and less skilled than him, rather than attacking weakly defendable positions he just takes cheap shots at college kids knowing he's more polished than them. Still I'm not tracking why the world is a better place without him. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304
      - johnnyanmac 1y ago
        >I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] If your best representation of this community is a new member, a 9 day old account with 2 karma, asking you a question, it's pretty clear we're not going to have a proper conversation here.
afavour 1y ago
> loads of people on social media seemed to think was so dangerous he needed to die for it. I really don't think there are "loads" of people saying he needed to die at all. Just a few fringe wingnuts. There are many people who do not mourn him but that's different to "he needed to die".
- amalcon 1y ago
  Exactly. It resembles the Brian Thompson murder in this way: there's a small minority who think it was a good thing. However, they are very vocal online. You probably don't know anyone who believes this in real life, but it's easy to find online because that minority is so noisy. Meanwhile, there is a group who condemn this and all murders. They largely believe the offenders in these cases should be prosecuted to deter similar actions. However, they can't find much empathy for the particular victim. This group is significantly larger. Members of this group are sometimes mistaken for members of the former group because of that noise.
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techpineapple 1y ago

You're argument is that you think it's a good idea to base your intellectual curiosity on the <inverse> priorities of a raving madman? Do you think that insanity is precise enough to understand the truly valuable ideas of the world, it just heads in the opposite direction? Better apparently than other methods of discerning valuable information?

mothballed 1y ago
I have lots of inputs to my curiosity. A guy I've never heard of getting assassinated and it making to the top of news, while a bunch of other people cheer it on, is one input. If I just randomly hear some guy was shot by the local schizophrenic, no I probably won't look up their videos.

CamperBob2 1y ago

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mothballed 1y ago
I don't really know much at all about the guy's political views, the bit about gang shootings is the only thing I've ever heard from his mouth. I am curious why the world is in a better place now that his wife and kids have to deal with the trauma and aftermath of picking up the pieces of their life and moving on. Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy.
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. He was basically the founder and figurehead of the MAGA youth movement. So he is probably as responsible as anyone for the election of Trump and all that has happened as a result. In my book that indeed makes him a pretty bad guy. Essentially, if you want to resort to the usual Nazi cliches, what happened here was that MAGA lost their Goebbels rather than their Horst Wessel.
- yongjik 1y ago
  > Sounds like he must have been a pretty bad guy. So let me get this straight, you didn't know who was Charlie Kirk, you only decided to look him up after he died, and you're so noncommittal about it that after 24 hours you still have no idea who he was (and why people hated him), and at the same time you're invested enough to write passive aggressive remarks on his haters? Someone's not being honest here.
  - mothballed 1y ago
    I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] but also passive aggressive against haters. No matter what I say, there is a specious argument as to why I must just be a liar or a murderer-sympathizer and sometimes both at once! The truth is I like to debate people, even if I am bad at it, my knee-jerk without more information is I don't like the idea of a guy getting shot during a live debate when I know little about him beyond that's the thing he does. I can tell you on what little I've gathered, I don't agree with the guy on much of anything except some of his pro 2A beliefs, I have no particular reason to cover for him. I did watch a few of his videos shortly ago, he wasn't particularly persuasive and seemed to capitalize on debating people younger and less skilled than him, rather than attacking weakly defendable positions he just takes cheap shots at college kids knowing he's more polished than them. Still I'm not tracking why the world is a better place without him. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45212304
    - johnnyanmac 1y ago
      >I love how on HN I'm simultaneously "justifying this murder"[0] If your best representation of this community is a new member, a 9 day old account with 2 karma, asking you a question, it's pretty clear we're not going to have a proper conversation here.

afavour 1y ago

> loads of people on social media seemed to think was so dangerous he needed to die for it. I really don't think there are "loads" of people saying he needed to die at all. Just a few fringe wingnuts. There are many people who do not mourn him but that's different to "he needed to die".

amalcon 1y ago
Exactly. It resembles the Brian Thompson murder in this way: there's a small minority who think it was a good thing. However, they are very vocal online. You probably don't know anyone who believes this in real life, but it's easy to find online because that minority is so noisy. Meanwhile, there is a group who condemn this and all murders. They largely believe the offenders in these cases should be prosecuted to deter similar actions. However, they can't find much empathy for the particular victim. This group is significantly larger. Members of this group are sometimes mistaken for members of the former group because of that noise.
- aredox 1y ago
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