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Sure if they also want to train a model that supports their sound profile, build an app that captures the audio, etc. But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap

Sure if they also want to train a model that supports their sound profile, build an app that captures the audio, etc. But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. They may even be able to use the exposed models on the phone.

StopDisinfo910 1y ago
> But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. The equivalent feature on Android tells me it would. I mean it already does technically. Are we supposed to treat Apple being late to the party as usual as some kind of exceptional thing only them could do?
- JustExAWS 1y ago
  According to the specs - it only works with Google’s own headphones https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl=en&authuser=1 https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl... Which are the same price as Apple’s AirPods with ANC. So Google also didn’t try to support the feature with generic earbuds.
  - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
    The contrary is literally written in a large yellow box on the page you linked: “Note: Google Translate works with all Assistant-optimized headphones and Android phones.” But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones which sounds worse than Sony, only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop and whose killer feature was available on their competitors buds years ago if that rocks your boat.
    - JustExAWS 1y ago
      You didn’t look at the prices of other “Google assistant” compatible headphones did you? And those Sony ones aren’t cheap. The first review I found comparing them.. https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ Why would I want to by a none Apple laptop with horrible battery life, loud, and that produces enough heat to ensure that I don’t have offspring if I actually put it on my lap?
      - ioasuncvinvaer 1y ago
        Over the course of this thread your argument went from "It's not technically possible" and "they will have to train their own models" to "I don't want to buy certain devices".
        JustExAWS 1y ago
        No I said it wasn’t technically possible on any cheap headphones because while the processing was done on the phone, the audio capture was done by the outside microphones on Apple headphones that have ANC and even the older ones of those required Apple to update the firmware on its own AirPods working in concert. This is no different than Google not supporting just any old headphones. Then the argument came that Apple’s AirPods are “overpriced” even though the cheapest AirPods that support it - AirPods 4 with ANC are in the same price range as Google’s and cheaper than the worse sounding and more expensive Sony Earbuds.
      - renewiltord 1y ago
        I prefer the Apple ecosystem myself but the Sony WF-1000XM are frequently available on sale (refurb WF-1000XM5 are $110 right now). I used to have the WH-1000XM3 (over the ear) and those are good too. The whole argument seems kind of silly. Just buy the platform you want that has the features you want. If the European thinks Apple is overpriced then it's no harm that they aren't bringing features to Europe. He wasn't going to buy them and now is going to not buy them even harder.
        StopDisinfo910 1y ago
        As a reminder, the initial argument was that Apple doesn’t bring their feature to Europe because they would have to open it via an API to their competitors. Someone replied that it’s not a refusal but a technical impossibility which is easily countered by Google having done just that for years. The fact that it’s heavily downvoted despite being factually completely correct is actually hilarious to me. The rest, which is to say that everything Apple sells beside laptops is subpar, their strategy regarding European regulations deprive them of any credibility when they pretend to care about consumers and their prices conversion in Europe is daylight robbery, is just my opinion and accessory to the discussion. I just couldn’t help myself.
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      I have both a pair of the over ear Sony XM4’s and AirPods Pro 2 and I’m not sure I’d characterize the Sony’s sound as “better”, even when using lossless audio. They sound good but the sound profile is mostly just different, with the Sony’s leaning more bassy and the AirPods more balanced. The noise cancellation are neck and neck but the AirPods had much less of that “pressure” sensation when using it. AirPods transparency is just plain better. Comfort for long use sessions is better on the Sony’s. Mic is better on the AirPods.
      - pelorat 1y ago
        There's no EQ in the Sony iPhone app?
        cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        There is, but I haven’t had the patience to tweak that. My phone also isn’t the device that I usually use those headphones with.
Zak 1y ago
> But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. Maybe, maybe not. Assuming Apple's motivation isn't pure self-dealing, it's very consistent with Apple's behavior to forbid or impede doing things that are absolutely possible but sometimes result in a sub-par experience.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  How many $60 headphones work with Google’s version?
  - bryan_w 1y ago
    All of them.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Not according to the official specs….
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
  - Zak 1y ago
    It's oddly difficult to find solid answers to this with a web search, but it appears that it just needs protocol support, not a mic that meets specific standards. The (discontinued?) JBL 110GA is $40 on Amazon.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Which I’m not able to find on Amazon…
      - Zak 1y ago
        https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07G2LXMDV https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07G2LXMDV

StopDisinfo910 1y ago

> But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. The equivalent feature on Android tells me it would. I mean it already does technically. Are we supposed to treat Apple being late to the party as usual as some kind of exceptional thing only them could do?

JustExAWS 1y ago
According to the specs - it only works with Google’s own headphones https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl=en&authuser=1 https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl... Which are the same price as Apple’s AirPods with ANC. So Google also didn’t try to support the feature with generic earbuds.
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago
  The contrary is literally written in a large yellow box on the page you linked: “Note: Google Translate works with all Assistant-optimized headphones and Android phones.” But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones which sounds worse than Sony, only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop and whose killer feature was available on their competitors buds years ago if that rocks your boat.
  - JustExAWS 1y ago
    You didn’t look at the prices of other “Google assistant” compatible headphones did you? And those Sony ones aren’t cheap. The first review I found comparing them.. https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ Why would I want to by a none Apple laptop with horrible battery life, loud, and that produces enough heat to ensure that I don’t have offspring if I actually put it on my lap?
    - ioasuncvinvaer 1y ago
      Over the course of this thread your argument went from "It's not technically possible" and "they will have to train their own models" to "I don't want to buy certain devices".
      - JustExAWS 1y ago
        No I said it wasn’t technically possible on any cheap headphones because while the processing was done on the phone, the audio capture was done by the outside microphones on Apple headphones that have ANC and even the older ones of those required Apple to update the firmware on its own AirPods working in concert. This is no different than Google not supporting just any old headphones. Then the argument came that Apple’s AirPods are “overpriced” even though the cheapest AirPods that support it - AirPods 4 with ANC are in the same price range as Google’s and cheaper than the worse sounding and more expensive Sony Earbuds.
    - renewiltord 1y ago
      I prefer the Apple ecosystem myself but the Sony WF-1000XM are frequently available on sale (refurb WF-1000XM5 are $110 right now). I used to have the WH-1000XM3 (over the ear) and those are good too. The whole argument seems kind of silly. Just buy the platform you want that has the features you want. If the European thinks Apple is overpriced then it's no harm that they aren't bringing features to Europe. He wasn't going to buy them and now is going to not buy them even harder.
      - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
        As a reminder, the initial argument was that Apple doesn’t bring their feature to Europe because they would have to open it via an API to their competitors. Someone replied that it’s not a refusal but a technical impossibility which is easily countered by Google having done just that for years. The fact that it’s heavily downvoted despite being factually completely correct is actually hilarious to me. The rest, which is to say that everything Apple sells beside laptops is subpar, their strategy regarding European regulations deprive them of any credibility when they pretend to care about consumers and their prices conversion in Europe is daylight robbery, is just my opinion and accessory to the discussion. I just couldn’t help myself.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    I have both a pair of the over ear Sony XM4’s and AirPods Pro 2 and I’m not sure I’d characterize the Sony’s sound as “better”, even when using lossless audio. They sound good but the sound profile is mostly just different, with the Sony’s leaning more bassy and the AirPods more balanced. The noise cancellation are neck and neck but the AirPods had much less of that “pressure” sensation when using it. AirPods transparency is just plain better. Comfort for long use sessions is better on the Sony’s. Mic is better on the AirPods.
    - pelorat 1y ago
      There's no EQ in the Sony iPhone app?
      - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        There is, but I haven’t had the patience to tweak that. My phone also isn’t the device that I usually use those headphones with.

Zak 1y ago

> But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. Maybe, maybe not. Assuming Apple's motivation isn't pure self-dealing, it's very consistent with Apple's behavior to forbid or impede doing things that are absolutely possible but sometimes result in a sub-par experience.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
How many $60 headphones work with Google’s version?
- bryan_w 1y ago
  All of them.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Not according to the official specs….
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
- Zak 1y ago
  It's oddly difficult to find solid answers to this with a web search, but it appears that it just needs protocol support, not a mic that meets specific standards. The (discontinued?) JBL 110GA is $40 on Amazon.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Which I’m not able to find on Amazon…
    - Zak 1y ago
      https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07G2LXMDV https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07G2LXMDV