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There's no good description of the actual ban here? At my kid's school phones and all other electronics can't be visible when class starts or ends or the teach

by duxup 1y ago

There's no good description of the actual ban here? At my kid's school phones and all other electronics can't be visible when class starts or ends or the teacher takes it. I'm ok with that. Some of the more universal bans I don't get, we should be educating kids on responsible usage, total ban seems like just pushing bad choices down the road.

spcebar 1y ago
They describe the ban in the article. Kids put their phone in pouches at the start of school and get them back at the end of the day. They say they're magnetic, I assume that describes some kind of lock or means to prevent use.
- rovr138 1y ago
  Maybe like the magnetic tags they use at stores.
cambrianentropy 1y ago
https://www.governor.ny.gov/programs/eliminating-distractions-new-york-schools https://www.governor.ny.gov/programs/eliminating-distraction...
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> we should be educating kids on responsible usage, total ban seems like just pushing bad choices down the road Even if this is all it’s doing, that’s a win. Most adults haven’t figured out responsible usage. Down the road, their brains will be more developed. And down the road, the average among them won’t need to learn at the rate we need them to now.
- duxup 1y ago
  I feel like your description conflicts. If adults can't manage themselves with phones then down the road makes no difference. I feel like experience builds good choices and total bans are like just putting blinders on. My oldest had supervised access to a phone / tablet for a while, when he downloads a game now he takes the game to gauge how much it relies on micro-transactions and so on and passes on it immediately if he thinks it is bad. That only comes form experience, and probably better to learn it when a parent can talk to him about these things rather than later in life when he is blowing his own money.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > If adults can't manage themselves with phones then down the road makes no difference Adults today can’t manage. That’s a function of the people and context. Adults tomorrow might. Perhaps because we regulate it. Perhaps because they’re exposed to it more carefully. > probably better to learn it when a parent can talk to him about these things rather than later in life when he is blowing his own money None of this requires he have a smartphone at school.
Aurornis 1y ago
> There's no good description of the actual ban here? > At my kid's school phones and all other electronics can't be visible when class starts or ends or the teacher takes it. All of these articles are so confusing to me because they act like banning smartphones in class is something new. Is this actually new? Were there schools where students weren’t getting in trouble for using phones during class? The closest thing I’ve seen to an actual ban is a rule that phones must be kept in lockers during the entire school day, including between classes and during lunch. I could see this requiring adjustment for kids. However I’m baffled by the articles that imply smartphones were not banned from use during class. Was this really ever a thing?
- duxup 1y ago
  My kid's middle school made national news for their ban for several weeks. Really it wasn't a new thing at all, just enforced appropriately. Teacher sees electronics (of any kind) and it's taken and you pick it up at the office. Multiple violations and parents get to meet with the staff to talk about it (that's the real kicker). Yeah it wasn't new, for some reason these articles just never mention that it's really about a "new" policy that means actual enforcement.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > Yeah it wasn't new, for some reason these articles just never mention that it's really about a "new" policy that means actual enforcement This is confirming some of my suspicion. Smartphone ban articles are trending, so journalists feel pressured to write something about it. They all around to schools and learn about their smartphone policy, then write that as a new-ish thing so they can jump on the trend.
    - cooperadymas 1y ago
      The first sentence of the article: > New York City students are one week into the statewide phone ban. Yes, this is a new thing.
      - 1y ago
majorchord 1y ago
Apparently even suggesting that the post title needs a location in it gets you downvoted.
- immibis 1y ago
  Unless that location is Israel, in which case it gets dead. (This post has nothing to do with Israel, dear reader who didn't click on it)
cooperadymas 1y ago
> There's no good description of the actual ban here? The first sentence of this article links to information about the ban itself. Later in the article it summarizes how it is enforced. > Schools have rolled out a range of strategies, with most schools either collecting phones at arrival and storing them in lockers or distributing magnetic pouches that have to be locked and unlocked at the beginning and end of the day.
- Johnny555 1y ago
  >The first sentence of this article links to information about the ban itself. That article gives little information that's not in the original one, even clicking through to the article linked in that linked article gives scant details. Here's the NYC public school district policy: https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/cell-phone-and-electronic-device-policy https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/cell-phone-and... This is what's covered under the ban: A personal internet-enabled device is any electronic device not issued by a school or NYCPS program that can connect to the internet, allowing the user to access content online. Examples of these personal devices include: * Communication Devices, such as cell phones, smartphones, and smartwatches. * Computing Devices, such as laptops, tablets, and iPads. * Portable music and entertainment systems, such as MP3 players and game consoles.
  - CTOSian 1y ago
    Smart kids then could use retro PDAs like Palm :)
SchemaLoad 1y ago
Responsible usage is using them after school to arange getting home if needed. There's no good reason to use a phone during school. Anyone you need to contact during that time is physically present.
JuniperMesos 1y ago
When I was in high school (shortly before smartphones became widely available, but when feature phones definitely were), it was explicitly against the rules to use a cell phone in class. I believe that similar small electronic devices like iPods were also banned. The concern was actively using phones or other devices during class, rather than simply having them in your backpack or pocket, and also that if your cell phone ringer went off during class that would be distracting (which is in fact true, that is distracting). My recollection is that some kids did try to violate the rule by surreptitiously texting during class, and did sometimes get their phones confiscated by a teacher; and also some people had their phones confiscated because they got a call or text and it went off in class, since they forgot to turn it off or silence the ringer (although sometimes kids were just asked to turn off the phone and didn't have it confiscated). I personally was not particularly inclined towards rulebreaking (or was smart enough to only break rules I was sure I could get away with), and I wasn't the kind of social butterfly in high school who was constantly texting people anyway, so my own phone never got confiscated. Merely having phones (or other electronic devices) on your person during the school day and using them on campus but outside of class times (e.g. during lunch) wasn't against the rules. I specifically remember playing a lot of the Nokia phone snake game on my phone to pass time during lunch or while waiting to get picked up after school - because it was the only game on the phone that was even mildly interesting. I think if my school had tried to ban having a cell phone on your person at all during the school day, I would've attempted to evade the ban by hiding it more deeply in my backpack or something. And if there were literal bag inspections in order to mitigate this, I would've been genuinely pretty angry about that and tried to think of something else I could do to evade the ban. Being compelled to put your phone in a locked box during the school day, rather than just silence it and not use it during class, seems very draconian to me.
majorchord 1y ago
In a high-trust society where people typically follow the rules, yes I think that's a good idea. But unfortunately the West lives in a world where kids see limitations as a challenge to try to push it as far as possible, combined with parents who simply don't care at all, so this is why we can't have nice things.

by duxup 1y ago

spcebar 1y ago

They describe the ban in the article. Kids put their phone in pouches at the start of school and get them back at the end of the day. They say they're magnetic, I assume that describes some kind of lock or means to prevent use.

rovr138 1y ago
Maybe like the magnetic tags they use at stores.

cambrianentropy 1y ago

https://www.governor.ny.gov/programs/eliminating-distractions-new-york-schools https://www.governor.ny.gov/programs/eliminating-distraction...

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> we should be educating kids on responsible usage, total ban seems like just pushing bad choices down the road Even if this is all it’s doing, that’s a win. Most adults haven’t figured out responsible usage. Down the road, their brains will be more developed. And down the road, the average among them won’t need to learn at the rate we need them to now.

duxup 1y ago
I feel like your description conflicts. If adults can't manage themselves with phones then down the road makes no difference. I feel like experience builds good choices and total bans are like just putting blinders on. My oldest had supervised access to a phone / tablet for a while, when he downloads a game now he takes the game to gauge how much it relies on micro-transactions and so on and passes on it immediately if he thinks it is bad. That only comes form experience, and probably better to learn it when a parent can talk to him about these things rather than later in life when he is blowing his own money.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > If adults can't manage themselves with phones then down the road makes no difference Adults today can’t manage. That’s a function of the people and context. Adults tomorrow might. Perhaps because we regulate it. Perhaps because they’re exposed to it more carefully. > probably better to learn it when a parent can talk to him about these things rather than later in life when he is blowing his own money None of this requires he have a smartphone at school.

Aurornis 1y ago

> There's no good description of the actual ban here? > At my kid's school phones and all other electronics can't be visible when class starts or ends or the teacher takes it. All of these articles are so confusing to me because they act like banning smartphones in class is something new. Is this actually new? Were there schools where students weren’t getting in trouble for using phones during class? The closest thing I’ve seen to an actual ban is a rule that phones must be kept in lockers during the entire school day, including between classes and during lunch. I could see this requiring adjustment for kids. However I’m baffled by the articles that imply smartphones were not banned from use during class. Was this really ever a thing?

duxup 1y ago
My kid's middle school made national news for their ban for several weeks. Really it wasn't a new thing at all, just enforced appropriately. Teacher sees electronics (of any kind) and it's taken and you pick it up at the office. Multiple violations and parents get to meet with the staff to talk about it (that's the real kicker). Yeah it wasn't new, for some reason these articles just never mention that it's really about a "new" policy that means actual enforcement.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > Yeah it wasn't new, for some reason these articles just never mention that it's really about a "new" policy that means actual enforcement This is confirming some of my suspicion. Smartphone ban articles are trending, so journalists feel pressured to write something about it. They all around to schools and learn about their smartphone policy, then write that as a new-ish thing so they can jump on the trend.
  - cooperadymas 1y ago
    The first sentence of the article: > New York City students are one week into the statewide phone ban. Yes, this is a new thing.
    - 1y ago

majorchord 1y ago

Apparently even suggesting that the post title needs a location in it gets you downvoted.

immibis 1y ago
Unless that location is Israel, in which case it gets dead. (This post has nothing to do with Israel, dear reader who didn't click on it)

cooperadymas 1y ago

> There's no good description of the actual ban here? The first sentence of this article links to information about the ban itself. Later in the article it summarizes how it is enforced. > Schools have rolled out a range of strategies, with most schools either collecting phones at arrival and storing them in lockers or distributing magnetic pouches that have to be locked and unlocked at the beginning and end of the day.

Johnny555 1y ago
>The first sentence of this article links to information about the ban itself. That article gives little information that's not in the original one, even clicking through to the article linked in that linked article gives scant details. Here's the NYC public school district policy: https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/cell-phone-and-electronic-device-policy https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/cell-phone-and... This is what's covered under the ban: A personal internet-enabled device is any electronic device not issued by a school or NYCPS program that can connect to the internet, allowing the user to access content online. Examples of these personal devices include: * Communication Devices, such as cell phones, smartphones, and smartwatches. * Computing Devices, such as laptops, tablets, and iPads. * Portable music and entertainment systems, such as MP3 players and game consoles.
- CTOSian 1y ago
  Smart kids then could use retro PDAs like Palm :)

SchemaLoad 1y ago

Responsible usage is using them after school to arange getting home if needed. There's no good reason to use a phone during school. Anyone you need to contact during that time is physically present.

JuniperMesos 1y ago

When I was in high school (shortly before smartphones became widely available, but when feature phones definitely were), it was explicitly against the rules to use a cell phone in class. I believe that similar small electronic devices like iPods were also banned. The concern was actively using phones or other devices during class, rather than simply having them in your backpack or pocket, and also that if your cell phone ringer went off during class that would be distracting (which is in fact true, that is distracting). My recollection is that some kids did try to violate the rule by surreptitiously texting during class, and did sometimes get their phones confiscated by a teacher; and also some people had their phones confiscated because they got a call or text and it went off in class, since they forgot to turn it off or silence the ringer (although sometimes kids were just asked to turn off the phone and didn't have it confiscated). I personally was not particularly inclined towards rulebreaking (or was smart enough to only break rules I was sure I could get away with), and I wasn't the kind of social butterfly in high school who was constantly texting people anyway, so my own phone never got confiscated. Merely having phones (or other electronic devices) on your person during the school day and using them on campus but outside of class times (e.g. during lunch) wasn't against the rules. I specifically remember playing a lot of the Nokia phone snake game on my phone to pass time during lunch or while waiting to get picked up after school - because it was the only game on the phone that was even mildly interesting. I think if my school had tried to ban having a cell phone on your person at all during the school day, I would've attempted to evade the ban by hiding it more deeply in my backpack or something. And if there were literal bag inspections in order to mitigate this, I would've been genuinely pretty angry about that and tried to think of something else I could do to evade the ban. Being compelled to put your phone in a locked box during the school day, rather than just silence it and not use it during class, seems very draconian to me.

majorchord 1y ago

In a high-trust society where people typically follow the rules, yes I think that's a good idea. But unfortunately the West lives in a world where kids see limitations as a challenge to try to push it as far as possible, combined with parents who simply don't care at all, so this is why we can't have nice things.