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It also requires human labor, which isn't impacted by tariffs directly, but may be impacted by other government actions in the US. Such as the ongoing high prof

It also requires human labor, which isn't impacted by tariffs directly, but may be impacted by other government actions in the US. Such as the ongoing high profile crackdown on illegal immigrant labor.

Aurornis 1y ago
Look at the actual deportation numbers. It’s barely on track to meet deportation rates from a decade ago. Don’t believe the political rhetoric. They’re making a big show and behaving poorly with the masks and other abuses, but they’re not actually doing abnormally high deportations. Note that any large country will have a steady flow of deportations due to basic enforcement of immigration laws.
- throwawaysleep 1y ago
  Crackdown != deportations. If workers stay away from job sites, the labor is off the market even if they don’t leave the country.
- helsinki8 1y ago
  Deportation numbers can be highly misleading because of changes in how border interactions were recorded. There have been changes at various times to count as a deportation turning someone back at the border, or to count it as a refusal of entry. Deporting 100 people working at a factory has a different economic impact than deporting 100 people at the moment they were trying to cross the border.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  The goal for them is to scare immigrants out of the country, make a spectacle of deporting 10 and hope another 20 get scared and self-deport, and another 100 decide not to try and illegally enter.
  - notmyjob 1y ago
    How is that working out so far?
    - sawjet 1y ago
      Looking at the border numbers, very successfully
throw0101d 1y ago
> It also requires human labor, which isn't impacted by tariffs directly, but may be impacted by other government actions in the US. If people think prices will go up they will insist on bigger raises. It's why expectations can be as important as what 'actually' happens: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage–price_spiral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage–price_spiral
- Yoric 1y ago
  Do they have power to insist on bigger raises?
  - throw0101d 1y ago
    > Do they have power to insist on bigger raises? Depends on the "they". These folks seem to have: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_port_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_port_strike

Aurornis 1y ago

Look at the actual deportation numbers. It’s barely on track to meet deportation rates from a decade ago. Don’t believe the political rhetoric. They’re making a big show and behaving poorly with the masks and other abuses, but they’re not actually doing abnormally high deportations. Note that any large country will have a steady flow of deportations due to basic enforcement of immigration laws.

throwawaysleep 1y ago
Crackdown != deportations. If workers stay away from job sites, the labor is off the market even if they don’t leave the country.
helsinki8 1y ago
Deportation numbers can be highly misleading because of changes in how border interactions were recorded. There have been changes at various times to count as a deportation turning someone back at the border, or to count it as a refusal of entry. Deporting 100 people working at a factory has a different economic impact than deporting 100 people at the moment they were trying to cross the border.
Workaccount2 1y ago
The goal for them is to scare immigrants out of the country, make a spectacle of deporting 10 and hope another 20 get scared and self-deport, and another 100 decide not to try and illegally enter.
- notmyjob 1y ago
  How is that working out so far?
  - sawjet 1y ago
    Looking at the border numbers, very successfully

throw0101d 1y ago

> It also requires human labor, which isn't impacted by tariffs directly, but may be impacted by other government actions in the US. If people think prices will go up they will insist on bigger raises. It's why expectations can be as important as what 'actually' happens: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage–price_spiral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage–price_spiral

Yoric 1y ago
Do they have power to insist on bigger raises?
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > Do they have power to insist on bigger raises? Depends on the "they". These folks seem to have: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_port_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_port_strike