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- JustExAWS 1y agoThe EU said that everything that Apple creates for its own devices has to have APIs for third parties. The translation feature only works for AirPods.
- hn8726 1y agoOk so it's not "airpods live translation" really, but "ios live translation" and there's no technical reason to limit it to airpods?
- JustExAWS 1y agoThe audio input comes from the AirPods not the iPhone. It’s processed on the iPhone. The audio is captured by the outward facing microphones used for active noise cancellations. That’s why it only works for AirPods Pro 2, 3 and AirPods 4 with ANC. That wouldn’t just work with any headphones. Even the AirPods Pro 2 will need a firmware update. They won’t work with just any old headphones and seeing that even the AirPods Pro 2 need a firmware update tells me that it is something they are doing with their H2 chip in their headphones in concert with the iPhone.
- StopDisinfo910 1y agoI mean, technically, any competitors with noise cancelling headphones able to pick up a voice stream would be able to use the same processing on the iPhone to offer an equivalent feature. That it only works with AirPods is just Apple discriminating in favour of their own product which is exactly what the EU was going after.
- JustExAWS 1y agoSure if they also want to train a model that supports their sound profile, build an app that captures the audio, etc. But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. They may even be able to use the exposed models on the phone.
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago> But their $60 ANC headphones with cheap audio processing hardware in the headphones aren’t going to be sufficient. The equivalent feature on Android tells me it would. I mean it already does technically. Are we supposed to treat Apple being late to the party as usual as some kind of exceptional thing only them could do?
- JustExAWS 1y agoAccording to the specs - it only works with Google’s own headphones https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl=en&authuser=1 https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100?hl... Which are the same price as Apple’s AirPods with ANC. So Google also didn’t try to support the feature with generic earbuds.
- StopDisinfo910 1y agoThe contrary is literally written in a large yellow box on the page you linked: “Note: Google Translate works with all Assistant-optimized headphones and Android phones.” But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones which sounds worse than Sony, only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop and whose killer feature was available on their competitors buds years ago if that rocks your boat.
- JustExAWS 1y agoYou didn’t look at the prices of other “Google assistant” compatible headphones did you? And those Sony ones aren’t cheap. The first review I found comparing them.. https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ https://wasteofserver.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-vs-apple/ Why would I want to by a none Apple laptop with horrible battery life, loud, and that produces enough heat to ensure that I don’t have offspring if I actually put it on my lap?
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- praseodym 1y agoOr other services, such as translation using Google Translate.
- whazor 1y agoAlso the feature doesn't work on Android, so it is not an 'AirPods' feature but a 'iOS'+'AirPods' feature.
- jjice 1y agoIs there any evidence for this at all? The EU has plenty of regulation surrounding audio recording, as other comments have said. Instead of jumping to the assumption of malicious intent, I think those make more sense up front. I don't think this is a real bargaining chip for Apple to use against the EU for the side loading stuff. I dislike Apple's malicious compliance with the EU too, but it seems unrelated here, at least without any proof.
- cenamus 1y agoDo no US states have similar laws regarding recording strangers?
- layer8 1y agoGoogle Pixel Buds and Samsung Galaxy Buds basically provide the same feature of realtime translation. Either Apple is withholding the feature without any real cause, or the cause lies in some aspect where Apple doesn’t allow third-party manufacturers to provide the same feature under iOS, while Android does. I don’t know which is the case, but both put Apple in a bad light, along with the fact that they don’t explain the exact reason for the limitation.
- jen20 1y agoIt would not remotely surprise me to discover that either Google or Samsung were doing something untoward that Apple is not willing to do. In fact, that would be one of the least surprising things I'd ever heard.
- chneu 1y agoApple is using the conservative approach, which is to misrepresent their starting position by moving the goal posts to an extreme. Then they bargain towards the "middle". It creates the illusion of bargaining. So Apple is throwing a huge tantrum and withholding features from the EU to act like this is a much bigger deal than it is. This gives Apple a lot more bargaining room after the EU bitch slapped them. Apple likely already has an API they could enable and be done with this. They won't do that. Apple needs exclusivity with new feature releases because they don't do things all that well anymore(Siri, maps, etc, nobody uses those because there are better alts available on ios). But yeah Apple is just starting way to the extreme so they have more room to bargain. Hopefully the EU sees through this, again, and doesn't budge.
- permo-w 1y agoEssentially irrelevant to your main point, but: >Apple needs exclusivity with new feature releases because they don't do things all that well anymore(Siri, maps, etc, nobody uses those because there are better alts available on ios). Siri was okay for a very brief window after release and then dreadful ever since and Apple Maps was never good, but has gotten better. Etc maybe more valid idk
- dnissley 1y agoI keep seeing accusations of tantrums. Can a company say no without it being a tantrum?
- tick_tock_tick 1y ago> Europe are randomly unknowably illegal for no reason I mean they absolutely are especially as EU regulators categorically refuse to review anything in advance just in-case their get a budget shortfalls and need to go looking for fines.