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Even a regular enterprise dev in a tier 2 city makes $135K - $150K and that puts them in the top quintile of earners in the US. https://dqydj.com/income-perce

Even a regular enterprise dev in a tier 2 city makes $135K - $150K and that puts them in the top quintile of earners in the US. https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ As I said in another comment though, I’m 51 with 30 years of professional experience, 10 years before that as a hobbyist, a reputation, a network, a stint at BigTech, etc. I tell anyone who wants to get into software development at even 30 as a junior that they would be better off in product management, sales, customer facing solution architecture, etc. How to do that from ground zero? I have no idea.

Nextgrid 1y ago
> regular enterprise dev Yesterday I came across some obscure project on Github that was opensourced by what looks like a large company selling "insights" and risk analysis data to the insurance sector. Out of curiosity I looked at their careers page and all the tech roles were either in Poland or India. The scary thing is, we all know how "good" Indian outsourcing is... but Eastern European outsourcing is actually good from my experience, so I'm not even sure "regular enterprise dev" will remain competitive for long.
- alchemical_piss 1y ago
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- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  I can’t speak for Eastern European developers and I would be hesitant to hiring them without ever working with any that were not located locally in the US only because of time zones. But I have found working with LatAm coworkers to be an amazing experience. What I first found frustrating about Indian developers in India wasn’t that they weren’t necessarily bad developers, they were afraid to speak up or go outside the lines. I had to beg a few to give me honest critical feedback when I was an architect at startup when I realized they were following my in hindsight bad guidance and they knew better. My current LatAm coworkers - even those who are a lot less senior than me will tell me (politely) when my shit stinks.

Nextgrid 1y ago

> regular enterprise dev Yesterday I came across some obscure project on Github that was opensourced by what looks like a large company selling "insights" and risk analysis data to the insurance sector. Out of curiosity I looked at their careers page and all the tech roles were either in Poland or India. The scary thing is, we all know how "good" Indian outsourcing is... but Eastern European outsourcing is actually good from my experience, so I'm not even sure "regular enterprise dev" will remain competitive for long.

alchemical_piss 1y ago
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raw_anon_1111 1y ago
I can’t speak for Eastern European developers and I would be hesitant to hiring them without ever working with any that were not located locally in the US only because of time zones. But I have found working with LatAm coworkers to be an amazing experience. What I first found frustrating about Indian developers in India wasn’t that they weren’t necessarily bad developers, they were afraid to speak up or go outside the lines. I had to beg a few to give me honest critical feedback when I was an architect at startup when I realized they were following my in hindsight bad guidance and they knew better. My current LatAm coworkers - even those who are a lot less senior than me will tell me (politely) when my shit stinks.