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I tried using Bun a few times, and I really liked working with it. Much better than Node. However...! I always managed to hit a road block with Bun and had t

by k__ 1y ago

I tried using Bun a few times, and I really liked working with it. Much better than Node. However...! I always managed to hit a road block with Bun and had to go back to Node. First it was the crypto module that wasn't compatible with Nodejs signatures (now fixed), next Playwright refused working with Bun (via Crawlee).

Cthulhu_ 1y ago
I think this is the big one that slows adoption of "better" / "faster" tooling down, that is, backwards compatibility and drop-in-replacement-ability. Probably a lot of Hyrum's Law.
koakuma-chan 1y ago
You can use Bun as package manager only. You don't have to use Bun as runtime.
- winterrdog 1y ago
  Sure? Does it work if I have packages that have nodejs c++ addons?
  - abejfehr 1y ago
    Why wouldn’t it? The end result of a npm install or a bun install is that the node_modules folder is structured in the way it needs to be, and I think it can run node-gyp for the packages that need it.
- iansinnott 1y ago
  Indeed! also as a test runner/lib if you're not doing browser automation. bun definitely has benefits even if not used as a runtime.
  - koakuma-chan 1y ago
    I believe Playwright worked for me with the latest Bun though
jherdman 1y ago
Storybook is another for me.
drewbitt 1y ago
Deno doesn't work with crawlee either unfortunately
petralithic 1y ago
You should try Deno, they have good Node compatibility
- erikpukinskis 1y ago
  Does it? Last I tried, several years ago, coverage of the Node APIs was not good. I wanted to send data over UDP and a lot of Node basics there were missing.
  - spartanatreyu 1y ago
    Deno's node compat is way better now. They're still missing niche things and they tend to target the things that most devs (and their dependencies) are actually using. But I can see they have it in their compat stuff now and it looks like it's working in the repl locally: https://docs.deno.com/api/node/dgram/ https://docs.deno.com/api/node/dgram/
    - rererereferred 1y ago
      This page tracks Deno's compatibility with Node by running its tests: https://ffmathy.github.io/is-deno-compatible-yet/ https://ffmathy.github.io/is-deno-compatible-yet/
epolanski 1y ago
Playwright has been fixed one year ago I think.
Jarred 1y ago
Playwright support will improve soon. We are rewriting node:http’s client implementation to pass node’s test suite. Expecting that to land next week.
- ukblewis 1y ago
  That may be just the best way to drop that you are introducing a rewrite which fixes a set of bugs that affect users

by k__ 1y ago

Cthulhu_ 1y ago

I think this is the big one that slows adoption of "better" / "faster" tooling down, that is, backwards compatibility and drop-in-replacement-ability. Probably a lot of Hyrum's Law.

koakuma-chan 1y ago

You can use Bun as package manager only. You don't have to use Bun as runtime.

winterrdog 1y ago
Sure? Does it work if I have packages that have nodejs c++ addons?
- abejfehr 1y ago
  Why wouldn’t it? The end result of a npm install or a bun install is that the node_modules folder is structured in the way it needs to be, and I think it can run node-gyp for the packages that need it.
iansinnott 1y ago
Indeed! also as a test runner/lib if you're not doing browser automation. bun definitely has benefits even if not used as a runtime.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  I believe Playwright worked for me with the latest Bun though

jherdman 1y ago

Storybook is another for me.

drewbitt 1y ago

Deno doesn't work with crawlee either unfortunately

petralithic 1y ago

You should try Deno, they have good Node compatibility

erikpukinskis 1y ago
Does it? Last I tried, several years ago, coverage of the Node APIs was not good. I wanted to send data over UDP and a lot of Node basics there were missing.
- spartanatreyu 1y ago
  Deno's node compat is way better now. They're still missing niche things and they tend to target the things that most devs (and their dependencies) are actually using. But I can see they have it in their compat stuff now and it looks like it's working in the repl locally: https://docs.deno.com/api/node/dgram/ https://docs.deno.com/api/node/dgram/
  - rererereferred 1y ago
    This page tracks Deno's compatibility with Node by running its tests: https://ffmathy.github.io/is-deno-compatible-yet/ https://ffmathy.github.io/is-deno-compatible-yet/

epolanski 1y ago

Playwright has been fixed one year ago I think.

Jarred 1y ago

Playwright support will improve soon. We are rewriting node:http’s client implementation to pass node’s test suite. Expecting that to land next week.

ukblewis 1y ago
That may be just the best way to drop that you are introducing a rewrite which fixes a set of bugs that affect users