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He stated that we should not disarm ourselves because evil exists. I’m not completely sure I agree with that answer, but it suddenly doesn’t excuse evil. Also

by nailer 1y ago

He stated that we should not disarm ourselves because evil exists. I’m not completely sure I agree with that answer, but it suddenly doesn’t excuse evil. Also as immigrant I assure you that most of us are legal - please stop using us for your arguments in favour of illegal immigration - and would be unlikely to be arrested for a crime and would not try and flee if arrested, so there’s very little chance I will be eaten be alligators.

ddddang 1y ago
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paulryanrogers 1y ago
Is pointing out irony and hypocrisy "excusing evil"?
- nailer 1y ago
  But the person didn’t point out hypocrisy. Charlie would rather some amount of unnecessary gun violence in exchange for having the population be able to defend themselves.
Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago
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- 1c2adbc4 1y ago
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  - mothballed 1y ago
    I'm a white country boy hick US citizen that was jailed by CBP on made up totalitarian bullshit that was completely false. No access to lawyer, shuttled around the state in a prisoner van, etc. No apologies, just unceremoniously dumped back out when no evidence found. It can happen to you, it can happen to anybody.
    - 1c2adbc4 1y ago
      Please explain why that justifies this murder. This is a thread about a murder, and you seem to be trying to make it be about something more convenient
      - mothballed 1y ago
        I am not advocating for murder, this seems like a straw man
- rektomatic 1y ago
  Quit it with the fear mongering
  - mikepurvis 1y ago
    If this white Canadian woman traveling to California can be jailed for two weeks, then it can absolutely happen to anyone: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... As a Canadian, I'm refusing to travel to the US right now, despite working remotely for a US-based company. It's not fear mongering, it's real. But my motivation isn't even just fear; staying home or choosing to travel elsewhere (Europe, Asia, Mexico) is standing with my countrymen against a regime that doesn't respect our sovereignty or even its own laws.
    - fawkesalbus 1y ago
      It can be argued that a lot of this is falling into the slippery slope fallacy. Also the media doesn’t always report the full story. Often the people arrested have some small/medium offense from years ago. Unlikely to happen to legal immigrants.
      - mikepurvis 1y ago
        Nonetheless, I will continue to choose to spend my travel dollars elsewhere until the US administration is crystal clear that Canada is a sovereign country, due process is a thing, and vanning people off of street corners (regardless of their skin colour or immigration status) is not the way.
      - TheCoelacanth 1y ago
        Many of them have a small offense that would justify them being turned away from the border, but not an offense that justifies detention.
        fawkesalbus 1y ago
- fawkesalbus 1y ago
  Indiscriminately is a loaded term. There is always some reasonable suspicion. Usually law enforcement always knows which pockets of a city, neighborhood have more illegal activity and can act based on that prior information.
  - ironman1478 1y ago
    It is well documented they have detained people who are here legally.
    - Tadpole9181 1y ago
      Citizens who showed them a photo "Real ID"! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-d...
      - fawkesalbus 1y ago
        He was interfering with the arrest, recording video etc. At least he didn’t get assassinated for exercising his first amendment rights like Charlie.
    - nailer 1y ago
      Your comment doesn't preclude the comment you're replying to being true.
odo1242 1y ago
The argument is not in favor of illegal immigration, it’s in favor of allowing people to go before a judge before they are deported. Because otherwise you can take literally anyone off the street and deport them to a gulag in El Salvador, and we may as well not bother with society.
- fawkesalbus 1y ago
  But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc becomes complicated if one is here illegally
  - TheCoelacanth 1y ago
    Due process can not be misused. It is our most fundamental right. Without the guarantee of due process for everyone, all other rights are an illusion because those in power can violate them at will.
    - fawkesalbus 1y ago
      You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The requirements are more relaxed for immigration courts though e.g you have to pay for your own lawyer etc
Bhilai 1y ago
As of yesterday ICE did arrest a couple of Koreans on a valid visa. Look it up.

by nailer 1y ago

ddddang 1y ago

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paulryanrogers 1y ago

Is pointing out irony and hypocrisy "excusing evil"?

nailer 1y ago
But the person didn’t point out hypocrisy. Charlie would rather some amount of unnecessary gun violence in exchange for having the population be able to defend themselves.

Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago

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1c2adbc4 1y ago
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- mothballed 1y ago
  I'm a white country boy hick US citizen that was jailed by CBP on made up totalitarian bullshit that was completely false. No access to lawyer, shuttled around the state in a prisoner van, etc. No apologies, just unceremoniously dumped back out when no evidence found. It can happen to you, it can happen to anybody.
  - 1c2adbc4 1y ago
    Please explain why that justifies this murder. This is a thread about a murder, and you seem to be trying to make it be about something more convenient
    - mothballed 1y ago
      I am not advocating for murder, this seems like a straw man
rektomatic 1y ago
Quit it with the fear mongering
- mikepurvis 1y ago
  If this white Canadian woman traveling to California can be jailed for two weeks, then it can absolutely happen to anyone: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... As a Canadian, I'm refusing to travel to the US right now, despite working remotely for a US-based company. It's not fear mongering, it's real. But my motivation isn't even just fear; staying home or choosing to travel elsewhere (Europe, Asia, Mexico) is standing with my countrymen against a regime that doesn't respect our sovereignty or even its own laws.
  - fawkesalbus 1y ago
    It can be argued that a lot of this is falling into the slippery slope fallacy. Also the media doesn’t always report the full story. Often the people arrested have some small/medium offense from years ago. Unlikely to happen to legal immigrants.
    - mikepurvis 1y ago
      Nonetheless, I will continue to choose to spend my travel dollars elsewhere until the US administration is crystal clear that Canada is a sovereign country, due process is a thing, and vanning people off of street corners (regardless of their skin colour or immigration status) is not the way.
    - TheCoelacanth 1y ago
      Many of them have a small offense that would justify them being turned away from the border, but not an offense that justifies detention.
      - fawkesalbus 1y ago
fawkesalbus 1y ago
Indiscriminately is a loaded term. There is always some reasonable suspicion. Usually law enforcement always knows which pockets of a city, neighborhood have more illegal activity and can act based on that prior information.
- ironman1478 1y ago
  It is well documented they have detained people who are here legally.
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    Citizens who showed them a photo "Real ID"! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-d...
    - fawkesalbus 1y ago
      He was interfering with the arrest, recording video etc. At least he didn’t get assassinated for exercising his first amendment rights like Charlie.
  - nailer 1y ago
    Your comment doesn't preclude the comment you're replying to being true.

odo1242 1y ago

The argument is not in favor of illegal immigration, it’s in favor of allowing people to go before a judge before they are deported. Because otherwise you can take literally anyone off the street and deport them to a gulag in El Salvador, and we may as well not bother with society.

fawkesalbus 1y ago
But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc becomes complicated if one is here illegally
- TheCoelacanth 1y ago
  Due process can not be misused. It is our most fundamental right. Without the guarantee of due process for everyone, all other rights are an illusion because those in power can violate them at will.
  - fawkesalbus 1y ago
    You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The requirements are more relaxed for immigration courts though e.g you have to pay for your own lawyer etc

Bhilai 1y ago

As of yesterday ICE did arrest a couple of Koreans on a valid visa. Look it up.