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Python has uv, JS has bun, what does Ruby or PHP have? Are the devs using those languages happy with how fast the current popular dependency managers are?

tommasoamici 1y ago
it's pretty new, but in Ruby there's `rv` which is clearly inspired by `uv`: https://github.com/spinel-coop/rv https://github.com/spinel-coop/rv. >Brought to you by Spinel >Spinel.coop is a collective of Ruby open source maintainers building next-generation developer tooling, like rv, and offering flat-rate, unlimited access to maintainers who come from the core teams of Rails, Hotwire, Bundler, RubyGems, rbenv, and more.
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JamesSwift 1y ago
Youre looking at it wrong. Python has nix, JS has nix, ruby and php have nix : D Thats closer to how pnpm achieves speed up though. I know there is 'rv' recently, but havent tried it.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  You mean nix the package manager? I used to use NixOS and I had to switch off because of endless mess with environment variables.
  - JamesSwift 1y ago
    Yes, nix package manager. Or devenv for a more streamlined version of what I'm describing, similar to mise but powered by nix.
hu3 1y ago
PHP is getting Mago (written in Rust). Repo: https://github.com/carthage-software/mago https://github.com/carthage-software/mago Announcement 9 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1h9zh83/announcing_mago_an_oxidized_toolchain_for_php/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1h9zh83/announcing_mag... For now its main features are 3: formatting, linting and fixing lint issues. I hope they add package management to do what composer does.
aarondf 1y ago
PHP has Composer, and it's extremely good!
- kijin 1y ago
  PHP is much closer to raw C and doesn't do any threading by default, so I suppose composer doesn't suffer from the thread synchronization and event loop related issues that differentiate bun from npm.
  - gertop 1y ago
    But node doesn't do threading by default either? Are you saying that npm is somehow multithreaded?
weaksauce 1y ago
bundler is generally pretty fast on the ruby side. it also reuses dependencies for a given ruby version so you don't have the stupid node_folder in every project you use with every dependency re-downloaded and stored. if you have 90% of the dependencies for a project you only have to download and install/compile 10% of them. night and day difference.

tommasoamici 1y ago

it's pretty new, but in Ruby there's `rv` which is clearly inspired by `uv`: https://github.com/spinel-coop/rv https://github.com/spinel-coop/rv. >Brought to you by Spinel >Spinel.coop is a collective of Ruby open source maintainers building next-generation developer tooling, like rv, and offering flat-rate, unlimited access to maintainers who come from the core teams of Rails, Hotwire, Bundler, RubyGems, rbenv, and more.

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JamesSwift 1y ago

Youre looking at it wrong. Python has nix, JS has nix, ruby and php have nix : D Thats closer to how pnpm achieves speed up though. I know there is 'rv' recently, but havent tried it.

koakuma-chan 1y ago
You mean nix the package manager? I used to use NixOS and I had to switch off because of endless mess with environment variables.
- JamesSwift 1y ago
  Yes, nix package manager. Or devenv for a more streamlined version of what I'm describing, similar to mise but powered by nix.

hu3 1y ago

PHP is getting Mago (written in Rust). Repo: https://github.com/carthage-software/mago https://github.com/carthage-software/mago Announcement 9 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1h9zh83/announcing_mago_an_oxidized_toolchain_for_php/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1h9zh83/announcing_mag... For now its main features are 3: formatting, linting and fixing lint issues. I hope they add package management to do what composer does.

aarondf 1y ago

PHP has Composer, and it's extremely good!

kijin 1y ago
PHP is much closer to raw C and doesn't do any threading by default, so I suppose composer doesn't suffer from the thread synchronization and event loop related issues that differentiate bun from npm.
- gertop 1y ago
  But node doesn't do threading by default either? Are you saying that npm is somehow multithreaded?

weaksauce 1y ago

bundler is generally pretty fast on the ruby side. it also reuses dependencies for a given ruby version so you don't have the stupid node_folder in every project you use with every dependency re-downloaded and stored. if you have 90% of the dependencies for a project you only have to download and install/compile 10% of them. night and day difference.