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That does not seem like nearly enough money to make a bad policy decision because of the money and that policy is probably much older than the arms deals.
by danbruc 1y ago
That does not seem like nearly enough money to make a bad policy decision because of the money and that policy is probably much older than the arms deals.
- alephnerd 1y ago> That does not seem like nearly enough money Because that's not the reason (Israel primarily imports weaponry and munitions from the US and India [0]). The issue is the other way around. A significant portion of Germany's ground AD and defensive systems are sourced from Israel- most notably the Arrow 3 missile shield [1] deal that recently went through. Germany is heavily dependent on Israeli cybersecurity companies as well [2]. Germany is also subsidizing Arrow 3 sales to Ukraine [3]. Protecting your nations citizens always trumps morality, and in Germany's case, it's become even more critical after what happened in Poland this week. [0] - https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs17/import/isr/show/199301.199305.199306.199302.199303/2023 https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs17/import/isr/show... [1] - https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/06/09/israel-enters-final-phase-to-deliver-arrow-3-missile-shield-to-germany/ https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/06/09/israel-... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-seeks-israeli-partnership-cyberdefence-plans-cyber-dome-2025-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-s... [3] - https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/israel-sells-missiles-to-germany-as-ukraine-war-fuels-demand-for-weapons-b32b685d?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAjMWTMaqyTnW9sGUWDeYndDj3_dU158DX8N6ED161JPTXbjcK0QUwqK&gaa_ts=68c2d38d&gaa_sig=NlBM1BTsi6zhpH5eG4KZ7s-tGsiPd45EO2aPKS6di5b9IGvFStrG66lw8Rx-c1Ro-D-KAkz3cIEvP_d4rx5RiQ%3D%3D https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/israel-sells-missiles-to-ge...
- parthdesai 1y agoYeah, but Europeans countries never miss a chance to lecture other countries about morality.
- alephnerd 1y agoPoliticians will always politick, but they do not tend to be the ones who make policy in a parliamentary system like Germany of Ireland. Ireland basically has no army, and is entirely dependent on the UK for it's defense. As such, their politicans are free to say whatever (as long as it is not against the UK) because it's not going to come back and bite them in the behind. That said, that's now changing as the UK is trying to renegotiate the deal [0][1] [0] - https://www.thejournal.ie/british-ireland-defence-agreement-house-of-lords-criticism-6808245-Sep2025/ https://www.thejournal.ie/british-ireland-defence-agreement-... [1] - https://www.irishpost.com/news/britain-and-ireland-to-renew-defence-pact-amid-rising-security-threats-297414 https://www.irishpost.com/news/britain-and-ireland-to-renew-...
- donalhunt 1y agoThe Irish strategy is to make the pubs too attractive for any attacker to bother with armed conflict. ;) The Irish position should not be underestimated. It tends to be a bellweather for what others will align with in the future. Ireland tends to use it's soft power very effectively at the global table.
- parthdesai 1y agoAlso, Ireland knows a thing or two about what it is like to be oppressed
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- alephnerd 1y ago> The Irish position should not be underestimated. It tends to be a bellweather for what others will align with in the future This really overstates Ireland's position in foreign policy studies. No one at Bruegel, ECFR, Institute Montaigne, GMFUS, and the 2-3 other major EU think tanks that are the de facto voice of European policy are taking Irish policy into account. Ireland lost any chance it had of being at the table when the Eurozone crisis happened. Even Spain and Italy have barely rebuilt their credibility. > Ireland tends to use it's soft power very effectively at the global table How? Ireland barely comes up in most conversations aside from using IDA Ireland as a model for attracting services FDI.