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How is this antisemitism? This is happening because of actions of a state, not the religion of some of it's population.

hn_go_brrrrr 1y ago
GP didn't say this action is antisemitic, just that there are rising levels of antisemitism in Ireland. If the latter is true, though, it does suggest that this action is likely motivated by antisemitism. That is, not everyone opposing Israel is antisemitic, but all the antisemites oppose Israel.
- clot27 1y ago
  > but all the antisemites oppose Israel Surprise surprise, many evangelical christians are zionist and anti semite at the same time.
  - tdeck 1y ago
    Supporting Israel is a great way to get organizations like the ADL off your back when you're being antisemitic. Look at Elon Musk - he was having trouble and being sued because of all the Nazis he encouraged on Twitter, but he took a PR trip to Israel and put on some dog tags. Now he can throw out a Sieg Heil in public and the ADL says it's OK because their only real priority these days is PR for Israel.
  - ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
    I'm not aware of there being many evangelical Christians in Ireland - and a quick search indicates that Ireland has the lowest percentage of evangelicals across the english speaking world
- Thiez 1y ago
  If you google the Haavara agreement and their little celebratory coin (star of David on one side, swastika on the other) you'll find that the literal nazi government supported Jewish migration to Palestine. Of course Israel technically didn't exist back then. There are also plenty of evangelicals who want Israel to exist so that biblical prophecies are fulfilled and Jesus returns and takes them all to heaven. Of course non-Christians (like for instance the Jews) will all die and burn in hell for all eternity in this scenario. So I challenge your point. I think antisemites are as likely to support Israel as they are to oppose it.
bushbaba 1y ago
It’s a statement against a state, but the voices behind it are really referring to Jews in general. Their remark about hostages shows it. Why are there hostages in Gaza is due to actions from Hamas, not Israel. More importantly ask yourself. Why is it that there’s not any meaningful quantity of Jews in Ireland, even though there’s larger numbers of Jews historically in nearby countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland
- a_paddy 1y ago
  Ireland is a small windswept island country, which until the late 20th century had very little migration of any time (apart from a few cases of forced plantation). The vast majority of the country white Christians with a small population of Jews and even fewer ethnicities from out side of Europe. This Irish as a whole are not anti-semitic, but they are appalled by the fate that has befallen the people of Palestine.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  It sounds as though you're trying to imply that there's some particular reason why there's not many Jews in Ireland, but it's largely historical. I'm in England and I haven't encountered many Jewish people over here despite us having far more cultural mixing than Ireland does.

GP didn't say this action is antisemitic, just that there are rising levels of antisemitism in Ireland. If the latter is true, though, it does suggest that this action is likely motivated by antisemitism. That is, not everyone opposing Israel is antisemitic, but all the antisemites oppose Israel.

clot27 1y ago
> but all the antisemites oppose Israel Surprise surprise, many evangelical christians are zionist and anti semite at the same time.
- tdeck 1y ago
  Supporting Israel is a great way to get organizations like the ADL off your back when you're being antisemitic. Look at Elon Musk - he was having trouble and being sued because of all the Nazis he encouraged on Twitter, but he took a PR trip to Israel and put on some dog tags. Now he can throw out a Sieg Heil in public and the ADL says it's OK because their only real priority these days is PR for Israel.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  I'm not aware of there being many evangelical Christians in Ireland - and a quick search indicates that Ireland has the lowest percentage of evangelicals across the english speaking world
Thiez 1y ago
If you google the Haavara agreement and their little celebratory coin (star of David on one side, swastika on the other) you'll find that the literal nazi government supported Jewish migration to Palestine. Of course Israel technically didn't exist back then. There are also plenty of evangelicals who want Israel to exist so that biblical prophecies are fulfilled and Jesus returns and takes them all to heaven. Of course non-Christians (like for instance the Jews) will all die and burn in hell for all eternity in this scenario. So I challenge your point. I think antisemites are as likely to support Israel as they are to oppose it.

bushbaba 1y ago

It’s a statement against a state, but the voices behind it are really referring to Jews in general. Their remark about hostages shows it. Why are there hostages in Gaza is due to actions from Hamas, not Israel. More importantly ask yourself. Why is it that there’s not any meaningful quantity of Jews in Ireland, even though there’s larger numbers of Jews historically in nearby countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland

a_paddy 1y ago
Ireland is a small windswept island country, which until the late 20th century had very little migration of any time (apart from a few cases of forced plantation). The vast majority of the country white Christians with a small population of Jews and even fewer ethnicities from out side of Europe. This Irish as a whole are not anti-semitic, but they are appalled by the fate that has befallen the people of Palestine.
ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
It sounds as though you're trying to imply that there's some particular reason why there's not many Jews in Ireland, but it's largely historical. I'm in England and I haven't encountered many Jewish people over here despite us having far more cultural mixing than Ireland does.