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> If his shooter gets caught and is trans True—but that's the thing about preaching hate, it turns out, there's lots of people who might want you dead.

foxglacier 1y ago
Did he preach hate? I've seen some of his videos and never saw anything like that. Perhaps you've confused something else for hate?
- mcphage 1y ago
  Here’s a brief summary, if you’re asking in good faith and actually want to know: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/11/2342963/-The-whitewashing-of-Charlie-Kirk-s-toxic-legacy-is-underway https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/11/2342963/-The-whit... but there’s plenty of others as well.
  - foxglacier 1y ago
    Which part of that is preaching hate? I couldn't identify any from a quick look. Is it the “a lack-of-father problem in the Black community.”?
    - mcphage 1y ago
      Okay, so not in good faith. I’m sorry I responded to you. Ya got me, +1 for the trolls.
      - foxglacier 1y ago
        Yes good faith. That article is full of examples and I don't understand which ones you count as preaching hate. Was that one or not?
        mcphage 1y ago
        How about stoning gay people? Or pushing the Great Replacement theory? Or claiming that the Texan flooding deaths were due to DEI initiatives? Like did you read it?
        foxglacier 1y ago
        I looked at the stoning gay people one through the link there and it isn't clear if he's advocating for it, against it, or just stating a fact about what the bible says. He used it to respond to a pro-gay Christian (Ms. Rachel from kids videos) who favored a law from Leviticus (love thy neighbor) and he pointed out that the same book also says to stone gays. He said that if you love God, you should love his laws, including that one (implying that Ms. Rachel should want to stone gays to be consistent with her stated belief). He described it as God's perfect law... but it's not clear if he actually condones or believes that or is just making a claim about what's true within the canon of the bible or what Ms. Rachel would believe to be consistent with herself. Do you know if he ever clarified his position on killing gays anywhere else? If that's the only time he ever publicly mentioned it, on it's own, it's too ambiguous to call preaching hate. So far, I can't find any hate preaching. I don't want to sift through everything just in case there's some hidden gem. You could just tell me which one is pretty clear if you knew about it. So I assume you're just repeating some popular opinion that isn't even true.
        mcphage 1y ago
        > He described it as God's perfect law... but it's not clear if he actually condones or believes that How do you imagine that working? Do you call many things you don’t support “God’s perfect law?” > just making a claim about what's true within the canon of the bible I wonder why he chose that specific example, then. > what Ms. Rachel would believe to be consistent with herself. What do you mean here? > Do you know if he ever clarified his position on killing gays anywhere else? This is an amazing sentence.
        foxglacier 1y ago
qcnguy 1y ago
That right here is why leftism is such a violent ideology and why all good people should abandon it: 1. Pick some ideas. 2. Define any disagreement with those ideas as "hate". 3. Kill anyone who disagrees on the grounds that "haters" deserve it. This is circular mirror-world logic. The left is full of hate-based ideas. If leftists were being systematically mown down and Trump led celebrations each time, justifying himself by this logic, you would find it appalling.
- mcphage 1y ago
  I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out he made a lot of different groups of people angry, and so it’s hard to tell which group the shooter may have belonged to.
  - qcnguy 1y ago
    It's not hard at all. He said things that upset the left, a violent leftist killed him, leftists are now celebrating. And he was without a doubt killed by a leftist. According to investigators they found his ammo, which was engraved with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology".
    - mcphage 1y ago
      > He said things that upset the left, leftists are now celebrating. Maybe, but was he killed for denigrating black people? Gay people? Jews? Transgender people? Immigrants? Professors? Doctors? The list goes on. He also pissed off the right, too—Laura Loomer recently calling him a traitor. So, I guess we’ll find out. > According to investigators they found his ammo, which was engraved with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" You might want to look into that again.
    - mcphage 1y ago
      > a violent leftist killed him [...] And he was without a doubt killed by a leftist I think, there's actually a considerable amount of doubt.
    - mcphage 1y ago

foxglacier 1y ago

Did he preach hate? I've seen some of his videos and never saw anything like that. Perhaps you've confused something else for hate?

mcphage 1y ago
Here’s a brief summary, if you’re asking in good faith and actually want to know: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/11/2342963/-The-whitewashing-of-Charlie-Kirk-s-toxic-legacy-is-underway https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/11/2342963/-The-whit... but there’s plenty of others as well.
- foxglacier 1y ago
  Which part of that is preaching hate? I couldn't identify any from a quick look. Is it the “a lack-of-father problem in the Black community.”?
  - mcphage 1y ago
    Okay, so not in good faith. I’m sorry I responded to you. Ya got me, +1 for the trolls.
    - foxglacier 1y ago
      Yes good faith. That article is full of examples and I don't understand which ones you count as preaching hate. Was that one or not?
      - mcphage 1y ago
        How about stoning gay people? Or pushing the Great Replacement theory? Or claiming that the Texan flooding deaths were due to DEI initiatives? Like did you read it?
        foxglacier 1y ago
        I looked at the stoning gay people one through the link there and it isn't clear if he's advocating for it, against it, or just stating a fact about what the bible says. He used it to respond to a pro-gay Christian (Ms. Rachel from kids videos) who favored a law from Leviticus (love thy neighbor) and he pointed out that the same book also says to stone gays. He said that if you love God, you should love his laws, including that one (implying that Ms. Rachel should want to stone gays to be consistent with her stated belief). He described it as God's perfect law... but it's not clear if he actually condones or believes that or is just making a claim about what's true within the canon of the bible or what Ms. Rachel would believe to be consistent with herself. Do you know if he ever clarified his position on killing gays anywhere else? If that's the only time he ever publicly mentioned it, on it's own, it's too ambiguous to call preaching hate. So far, I can't find any hate preaching. I don't want to sift through everything just in case there's some hidden gem. You could just tell me which one is pretty clear if you knew about it. So I assume you're just repeating some popular opinion that isn't even true.
        mcphage 1y ago
        > He described it as God's perfect law... but it's not clear if he actually condones or believes that How do you imagine that working? Do you call many things you don’t support “God’s perfect law?” > just making a claim about what's true within the canon of the bible I wonder why he chose that specific example, then. > what Ms. Rachel would believe to be consistent with herself. What do you mean here? > Do you know if he ever clarified his position on killing gays anywhere else? This is an amazing sentence.
        foxglacier 1y ago

qcnguy 1y ago

That right here is why leftism is such a violent ideology and why all good people should abandon it: 1. Pick some ideas. 2. Define any disagreement with those ideas as "hate". 3. Kill anyone who disagrees on the grounds that "haters" deserve it. This is circular mirror-world logic. The left is full of hate-based ideas. If leftists were being systematically mown down and Trump led celebrations each time, justifying himself by this logic, you would find it appalling.

mcphage 1y ago
I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out he made a lot of different groups of people angry, and so it’s hard to tell which group the shooter may have belonged to.
- qcnguy 1y ago
  It's not hard at all. He said things that upset the left, a violent leftist killed him, leftists are now celebrating. And he was without a doubt killed by a leftist. According to investigators they found his ammo, which was engraved with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology".
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > He said things that upset the left, leftists are now celebrating. Maybe, but was he killed for denigrating black people? Gay people? Jews? Transgender people? Immigrants? Professors? Doctors? The list goes on. He also pissed off the right, too—Laura Loomer recently calling him a traitor. So, I guess we’ll find out. > According to investigators they found his ammo, which was engraved with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" You might want to look into that again.
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > a violent leftist killed him [...] And he was without a doubt killed by a leftist I think, there's actually a considerable amount of doubt.
  - mcphage 1y ago