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Which prominent left wing figures have condoned this? Arguably the two most popular left wing politicians have put out statements condemning this.

phendrenad2 1y ago
Honey, we have a democracy, which means that the average Bluesky user votes, not just "prominent" figures.
- bluecheese452 1y ago
  Forgive me for not getting worked up by a random comment from tublerima456 on bluesky.
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
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    - bluecheese452 1y ago
      Yeah I don’t care about haxxor789 on hackernews either. Could be an llm, a foreign agent or a teenage troll. The more divisive the event the less I trust the online comments.
      - phendrenad2 1y ago
        Yes but in the aggregate, you can make inferences about public sentiment. I guess I've just resolved to be more tuned-in to what's going on in the world. I do admit, it's not for everyone...
    - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
      I saw the comments everywhere from right-wingers, saying all left-wingers should be rounded up and imprisoned or killed. Are those the comments you're talking about? It's really not great of all those right-wingers to advocate for violence against those they disagree with. Of course, both you and I probably saw carefully curated outrage feeds, rather than actual data. I'm sure the actual data shows those openly advocating for violence are the minority across the board.
      - phendrenad2 1y ago
        Are you seriously "both sidesing" this? Or wait, you're "neither siding" this, saying that it's all an artifact of the algorithm. Well, okay. I don't know what to say to that!
        ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        Well yeah, I assume that every consumer of social media knows that the major ones actively curate posts that make you angry, because they've calculated that you will stay on the site longer if you're outraged than if you're happy, and more time on the site makes them more money selling you as the product. That's to say nothing of the discovery years ago that malicious actors, foreign nation states in particular, engage in influence operations on the sites with bots. Some do this to swing opinion to their side, others have bots inflammatorily posting on both sides of an issue just to foment unrest among the populace. My comment above was to illustrate this: that what you see on the site isn't what everybody is posting on the site. Likewise for me. We both look at the same algorithmically-run site and are served with 2 totally different experiences, and I guess now you can see why. In short, no matter what social media company you patronize, it likely does not have your best interests in mind, and definitely is not a statistically representative sample of people.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      You've dodged the question twice now - which prominent left-wing politicians are applauding this? I've seen all kinds of reactions, but the only one I've seen from political officials is condemnation. On both sides of the aisle, regardless of what the x.com peanut gallery insists on.
      - phendrenad2 1y ago
        I'm not dodging the question, I refuse to accept that your question is relevant to the discussion just because you think it'll make your point for you (the wrong point, but hey, you'll take any win you can get when you don't have a logical way to attack an argument I suppose)
        bigyabai 1y ago
        "I'm not dodging the question" usually is followed up by an answer. Do you have examples?
        phendrenad2 1y ago
        You make unreasonable demands and (I assume) use the lack of acquiescence as victory? I might have to try that sometime.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        You made claims and never backed them up. You'll have to excuse me for wanting to know more.
        phendrenad2 1y ago
        I guess you need to re-read the things I said, again, and then maybe again on top of that. Because I never claimed what you think I claimed!
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- dttze 1y ago
  If we are going to use rando twitters to define groups of people, the right are white nationalists and support the mass murder of civilians. They vote too!
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
    Uh-huh, that's how SCIENCE works, you take a statistical sampling. If you think it's just "rando twitters" then you're just blind.
    - dttze 1y ago
      So, every poster on the internet is a real and authentic person saying real and authentic things? Cmon, try harder. Sample garbage and you get garbage results.
      - phendrenad2 1y ago
        Obviously I'm not saying "every poster" is, I'm saying there's some statistical significance there.
    - phendrenad2 1y ago
      > So, every poster on the internet is a real and authentic person saying real and authentic things? Cmon, try harder. > Sample garbage and you get garbage results. Are you saying that it's mostly AI? What are you saying exactly?
      - dttze 1y ago
        AI, trolls, political groups, intelligence agencies, foreign adversaries, etc. Do not let the internet define reality for you.
        phendrenad2 1y ago
        Okay, where can I get reality? Maybe I can get it from the news media, who will just take a sampling of posts on the internet? Maybe I can get it from academia, who will do the same? Or can I cut out the middlemen?
jalapenos 1y ago
I'm literally reading them now in this HN comment section. Surreal it is. Even if you were a twisted leftist who was totally happy with this, you'd think you'd keep quiet, or at least limited it to "he was mean but violence bad ok?" - but can't hold back their implicit support for the killing - almost peeved that we're bothered about his killing and not focusing on the mean things he said. Like, the brazenness of it. Even the dishonesty of your own comment - what prominent left wing figure would be so demented as to destroy their career by publicly supporting this, even if they do in fact support it. The real mentality of the left are what we're seeing freely spewing out onto the internet now. They literally are as vile and twisted as all their strongest critics have said.
- bluecheese452 1y ago
  If you are getting this worked up by anonymous comments on the internet it is time to touch grass. I promise you the sun will still rise in the morning no matter what some teenage edgelord posts.
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
    Do you think that "anonymous comments" are not backed by real humans? Do you think that the internet is a magical bubble with no relation to the real world? Touch all the grass you want, roll in it, eat that grass, mulch it up and drink it, I'll stick to understanding humans by what they SAY on the internet, thank you very much.
- suzzer99 1y ago
  Meanwhile, I'm endless compilations of people on the right calling for mass arrests of every Democrat, and worse. https://imgur.com/aF3yACR https://imgur.com/aF3yACR
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
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phendrenad2 1y ago

Honey, we have a democracy, which means that the average Bluesky user votes, not just "prominent" figures.

bluecheese452 1y ago
Forgive me for not getting worked up by a random comment from tublerima456 on bluesky.
- phendrenad2 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - bluecheese452 1y ago
    Yeah I don’t care about haxxor789 on hackernews either. Could be an llm, a foreign agent or a teenage troll. The more divisive the event the less I trust the online comments.
    - phendrenad2 1y ago
      Yes but in the aggregate, you can make inferences about public sentiment. I guess I've just resolved to be more tuned-in to what's going on in the world. I do admit, it's not for everyone...
  - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
    I saw the comments everywhere from right-wingers, saying all left-wingers should be rounded up and imprisoned or killed. Are those the comments you're talking about? It's really not great of all those right-wingers to advocate for violence against those they disagree with. Of course, both you and I probably saw carefully curated outrage feeds, rather than actual data. I'm sure the actual data shows those openly advocating for violence are the minority across the board.
    - phendrenad2 1y ago
      Are you seriously "both sidesing" this? Or wait, you're "neither siding" this, saying that it's all an artifact of the algorithm. Well, okay. I don't know what to say to that!
      - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        Well yeah, I assume that every consumer of social media knows that the major ones actively curate posts that make you angry, because they've calculated that you will stay on the site longer if you're outraged than if you're happy, and more time on the site makes them more money selling you as the product. That's to say nothing of the discovery years ago that malicious actors, foreign nation states in particular, engage in influence operations on the sites with bots. Some do this to swing opinion to their side, others have bots inflammatorily posting on both sides of an issue just to foment unrest among the populace. My comment above was to illustrate this: that what you see on the site isn't what everybody is posting on the site. Likewise for me. We both look at the same algorithmically-run site and are served with 2 totally different experiences, and I guess now you can see why. In short, no matter what social media company you patronize, it likely does not have your best interests in mind, and definitely is not a statistically representative sample of people.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    You've dodged the question twice now - which prominent left-wing politicians are applauding this? I've seen all kinds of reactions, but the only one I've seen from political officials is condemnation. On both sides of the aisle, regardless of what the x.com peanut gallery insists on.
    - phendrenad2 1y ago
      I'm not dodging the question, I refuse to accept that your question is relevant to the discussion just because you think it'll make your point for you (the wrong point, but hey, you'll take any win you can get when you don't have a logical way to attack an argument I suppose)
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        "I'm not dodging the question" usually is followed up by an answer. Do you have examples?
        phendrenad2 1y ago
        You make unreasonable demands and (I assume) use the lack of acquiescence as victory? I might have to try that sometime.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        You made claims and never backed them up. You'll have to excuse me for wanting to know more.
        phendrenad2 1y ago
        I guess you need to re-read the things I said, again, and then maybe again on top of that. Because I never claimed what you think I claimed!
      - deleted 1y ago
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dttze 1y ago
If we are going to use rando twitters to define groups of people, the right are white nationalists and support the mass murder of civilians. They vote too!
- phendrenad2 1y ago
  Uh-huh, that's how SCIENCE works, you take a statistical sampling. If you think it's just "rando twitters" then you're just blind.
  - dttze 1y ago
    So, every poster on the internet is a real and authentic person saying real and authentic things? Cmon, try harder. Sample garbage and you get garbage results.
    - phendrenad2 1y ago
      Obviously I'm not saying "every poster" is, I'm saying there's some statistical significance there.
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
    > So, every poster on the internet is a real and authentic person saying real and authentic things? Cmon, try harder. > Sample garbage and you get garbage results. Are you saying that it's mostly AI? What are you saying exactly?
    - dttze 1y ago
      AI, trolls, political groups, intelligence agencies, foreign adversaries, etc. Do not let the internet define reality for you.
      - phendrenad2 1y ago
        Okay, where can I get reality? Maybe I can get it from the news media, who will just take a sampling of posts on the internet? Maybe I can get it from academia, who will do the same? Or can I cut out the middlemen?

jalapenos 1y ago

I'm literally reading them now in this HN comment section. Surreal it is. Even if you were a twisted leftist who was totally happy with this, you'd think you'd keep quiet, or at least limited it to "he was mean but violence bad ok?" - but can't hold back their implicit support for the killing - almost peeved that we're bothered about his killing and not focusing on the mean things he said. Like, the brazenness of it. Even the dishonesty of your own comment - what prominent left wing figure would be so demented as to destroy their career by publicly supporting this, even if they do in fact support it. The real mentality of the left are what we're seeing freely spewing out onto the internet now. They literally are as vile and twisted as all their strongest critics have said.

bluecheese452 1y ago
If you are getting this worked up by anonymous comments on the internet it is time to touch grass. I promise you the sun will still rise in the morning no matter what some teenage edgelord posts.
- phendrenad2 1y ago
  Do you think that "anonymous comments" are not backed by real humans? Do you think that the internet is a magical bubble with no relation to the real world? Touch all the grass you want, roll in it, eat that grass, mulch it up and drink it, I'll stick to understanding humans by what they SAY on the internet, thank you very much.
suzzer99 1y ago
Meanwhile, I'm endless compilations of people on the right calling for mass arrests of every Democrat, and worse. https://imgur.com/aF3yACR https://imgur.com/aF3yACR
- phendrenad2 1y ago
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