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>> in anonymous forums there's a lot more people pointing out that they think this is hype whereas when we wear our professional hats many of us join in When y

by wffurr 1y ago

>> in anonymous forums there's a lot more people pointing out that they think this is hype whereas when we wear our professional hats many of us join in When your boss is hyping it up and demanding all hands on deck full steam ahead on the Good Ship AI, lots of people join in out of fear, particularly in the currently awful job market which is partly being ruined by AI itself. Some of us just stay quiet, keep our heads down, and plug away using tools actually fit for purpose, like LSPs and refactoring tools. Very few have the courage to stand up in a professional setting and say the emperor has no clothes.

brookst 1y ago
This is true, but it is also true that traditionally, people whose jobs are most likely to be affected by technological change are not the most dispassionate, objective judges of the technology.
geon 1y ago
No developer job has yet been lost to AI. We are in a huge recession, and companies like to have an excuse to fire people that can be spun as a positive.
- hobs 1y ago
  At my company at least four developer jobs were lost because of AI tooling, but keep spouting off about the entire economy at once.
  - loloquwowndueo 1y ago
    Four out of how many?
  - lm28469 1y ago
    I still believe the hype around llms killed way more jobs than the llms themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually create job in the next few years given the awful shit that's being deployed these days
- ElevenLathe 1y ago
  That makes the fear worse, not better. It's clear that fake AI enthusiasm is a litmus test for how much shit you'll eat in order to toe the company line so that you can avoid layoffs in the worst jobs market since the GFC.
  - loloquwowndueo 1y ago
    * toe not tow
    - ElevenLathe 1y ago
      Thanks, I actually looked it up because I can never remember, but then autocorrect got me anyway!
- latexr 1y ago
  > No developer job has yet been lost to AI. https://content.techgig.com/technology/developer-fires-entire-team-for-ai-now-ends-up-searching-for-engineers-on-linkedin/articleshow/116659064.cms https://content.techgig.com/technology/developer-fires-entir...
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    Sounds like those jobs still exist, from the article.
steveBK123 1y ago
Absolutely, and you see this in non-Mag7/non-tech industries where CEOs are all announcing a parade of "head of AI" hires. Will it end up being a permanent role like CISO, or is this just faddish follow-along? I know some of the guys being hired into these roles and, lol.. let's just say they are not experts. My spouse works at a large (50k-100k) org in a program management role where she is getting a lot of pressure to organize various AI evangelism efforts aimed at developers. Workshops, bake offs, demo days, etc. I mean sounds neat, but is this being done because it's useful or because someone up high needs to justify their AI budget spend with AI usage metrics? Do we believe that ICs are actually so stupid/stubborn they need to be mandated, coaxed, coached, bullied and bribed to use something that makes their jobs easier? Doesn't most of the best tech end up being bottoms-up? Most of us who were around 15+ years ago recall a lot of BigCorp had to be dragged unwillingly into mobile by internal useres/devs who got their first iPhone and saw the light. A lot of stuff starts as small team internal skunk works / unofficial projects working around productivity drains. I am highly suspicious that the C-suite knows what people 10 levels down actually need for productivity enhancement.
- GloriousMEEPT 1y ago
  > Most of us who were around 15+ years ago recall a lot of BigCorp had to be dragged unwillingly into mobile by internal useres/devs who got their first iPhone and saw the light. Yeah thanks guys. Now I have outlook/teams on my phone and am expected to be reachable 24/7. If not, I'm expected to respond to text, and share my phone number with my colleagues. Those I don't directly share it with will get it from someone who knows me.
darepublic 1y ago
I sympathize with this, I would hate having some cargo cult bullshit foisted upon me by disingenuous management. However I'm not sure that it's AI who is "the emperor with no clothes". What I think _is_ such a facade are oftentimes the company itself, its business model, the product it is trying to build and the way its trying to build it. I have sometimes spoken my mind about these things -- petulantly, on my way out the door.

by wffurr 1y ago

brookst 1y ago

This is true, but it is also true that traditionally, people whose jobs are most likely to be affected by technological change are not the most dispassionate, objective judges of the technology.

geon 1y ago

No developer job has yet been lost to AI. We are in a huge recession, and companies like to have an excuse to fire people that can be spun as a positive.

hobs 1y ago
At my company at least four developer jobs were lost because of AI tooling, but keep spouting off about the entire economy at once.
- loloquwowndueo 1y ago
  Four out of how many?
- lm28469 1y ago
  I still believe the hype around llms killed way more jobs than the llms themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually create job in the next few years given the awful shit that's being deployed these days
ElevenLathe 1y ago
That makes the fear worse, not better. It's clear that fake AI enthusiasm is a litmus test for how much shit you'll eat in order to toe the company line so that you can avoid layoffs in the worst jobs market since the GFC.
- loloquwowndueo 1y ago
  * toe not tow
  - ElevenLathe 1y ago
    Thanks, I actually looked it up because I can never remember, but then autocorrect got me anyway!
latexr 1y ago
> No developer job has yet been lost to AI. https://content.techgig.com/technology/developer-fires-entire-team-for-ai-now-ends-up-searching-for-engineers-on-linkedin/articleshow/116659064.cms https://content.techgig.com/technology/developer-fires-entir...
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Sounds like those jobs still exist, from the article.

steveBK123 1y ago

Absolutely, and you see this in non-Mag7/non-tech industries where CEOs are all announcing a parade of "head of AI" hires. Will it end up being a permanent role like CISO, or is this just faddish follow-along? I know some of the guys being hired into these roles and, lol.. let's just say they are not experts. My spouse works at a large (50k-100k) org in a program management role where she is getting a lot of pressure to organize various AI evangelism efforts aimed at developers. Workshops, bake offs, demo days, etc. I mean sounds neat, but is this being done because it's useful or because someone up high needs to justify their AI budget spend with AI usage metrics? Do we believe that ICs are actually so stupid/stubborn they need to be mandated, coaxed, coached, bullied and bribed to use something that makes their jobs easier? Doesn't most of the best tech end up being bottoms-up? Most of us who were around 15+ years ago recall a lot of BigCorp had to be dragged unwillingly into mobile by internal useres/devs who got their first iPhone and saw the light. A lot of stuff starts as small team internal skunk works / unofficial projects working around productivity drains. I am highly suspicious that the C-suite knows what people 10 levels down actually need for productivity enhancement.

GloriousMEEPT 1y ago
> Most of us who were around 15+ years ago recall a lot of BigCorp had to be dragged unwillingly into mobile by internal useres/devs who got their first iPhone and saw the light. Yeah thanks guys. Now I have outlook/teams on my phone and am expected to be reachable 24/7. If not, I'm expected to respond to text, and share my phone number with my colleagues. Those I don't directly share it with will get it from someone who knows me.

darepublic 1y ago

I sympathize with this, I would hate having some cargo cult bullshit foisted upon me by disingenuous management. However I'm not sure that it's AI who is "the emperor with no clothes". What I think _is_ such a facade are oftentimes the company itself, its business model, the product it is trying to build and the way its trying to build it. I have sometimes spoken my mind about these things -- petulantly, on my way out the door.