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I also think this is just a delay, not a final win. Also, this page hasn't been updated yet: <https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/> I rece

by joz1-k 1y ago

I also think this is just a delay, not a final win. Also, this page hasn't been updated yet: <https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/> I recently heard a political discussion about this topic and was disappointed by the lack of technical competency among the participants. What we're talking about here is the requirement to run a non-auditable, non-transparent black box on any device to scan all communications. What could possibly go wrong with that?

0points 1y ago
It's always just a delay until the next round with these guys. Chat control has already been voted down more than once in the past. They will keep at it until they succeed [1]. The playbook was copied from the tobacco & oil industry and perfected by hollywood. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Legislative_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...
- walterbell 1y ago
  > keep at it until they succeed Is there any EU process to codify principles (e.g. Human Digital Rights) that need to be upheld in future attempts?
  - 0points 1y ago
    The EU article #8 of human rights [1] is deliberately loosely defined, both sounding nice at the first glance, while allowing for Chat Control style surveillance. Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence. 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_8_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_8_of_the_European_Conv...
x775 1y ago
Just updated.
boppo1 1y ago
I mean, could the solution just be for tech-literate people to red-team the shit out of it and show how vulnerable and stupid it is?
- yonatan8070 1y ago
  Only if they want to get arrested and silenced.
ghusto 1y ago
> requirement to run a non-auditable, non-transparent black box on any device to scan all communications I wasn't exactly thrilled at the prospect of some kind of encryption backdoor, but hearing it put like this genuinely horrifies me. Like a vulnerable keylogger on every device.
ryandrake 1y ago
What does a "final win" even look like? The powers that want this will simply propose it over and over and over until they win once, and then it's basically law forever. The "against" team needs to win every time, forever.

by joz1-k 1y ago

0points 1y ago

It's always just a delay until the next round with these guys. Chat control has already been voted down more than once in the past. They will keep at it until they succeed [1]. The playbook was copied from the tobacco & oil industry and perfected by hollywood. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Legislative_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...

walterbell 1y ago
> keep at it until they succeed Is there any EU process to codify principles (e.g. Human Digital Rights) that need to be upheld in future attempts?
- 0points 1y ago
  The EU article #8 of human rights [1] is deliberately loosely defined, both sounding nice at the first glance, while allowing for Chat Control style surveillance. Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence. 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_8_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_8_of_the_European_Conv...

x775 1y ago

Just updated.

boppo1 1y ago

I mean, could the solution just be for tech-literate people to red-team the shit out of it and show how vulnerable and stupid it is?

yonatan8070 1y ago
Only if they want to get arrested and silenced.

ghusto 1y ago

> requirement to run a non-auditable, non-transparent black box on any device to scan all communications I wasn't exactly thrilled at the prospect of some kind of encryption backdoor, but hearing it put like this genuinely horrifies me. Like a vulnerable keylogger on every device.

ryandrake 1y ago

What does a "final win" even look like? The powers that want this will simply propose it over and over and over until they win once, and then it's basically law forever. The "against" team needs to win every time, forever.