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"And unfortunately, a big part of that is institutional. I mean, what does it say when you commit violent crimes en masse and then the president of the United S
by tkzed49 1y ago
"And unfortunately, a big part of that is institutional. I mean, what does it say when you commit violent crimes en masse and then the president of the United States pardons you? It basically tells people, “Yeah, you’ve got a free pass the next time.”"
The social contract is that there is some system of law and order which approximates justice and peace. When the party of law and order instead uses it selectively to further their agenda, what are the people to do?
- ljsprague 1y ago[flagged]
- ngetchell 1y agoI saw the video live. It was violent with the intent to attack America when it is at its weakest, during the transition of power. Pardoning those people was a big green light signal to do it again.
- littlestymaar 1y ago> Are they calling January 6th violent crime? Until recently, assaulting cops and killing one would have been called a violent crime by pretty much everyone but the fringe revolutionary left but now it's somehow a partisan take…
- the_third_wave 1y ago[flagged]
- xtiansimon 1y ago> “The only person killed during the altercation…” Wikipedia lists “deaths” as a result of the insurrection, 4 on the day and 5 afterwards.
- the_third_wave 1y agoWikipedia lists whatever narrative the editors who have colonised that section of the site want to push. It is not a reliable source, this is something you learn in primary school.
- littlestymaar 1y agoBrian Sicknick was assaulted by Julian Elie Khater and George Pierre Tanios using pepper spray, and he died the day after. Khater and Tanios were sentenced for assaulting a police officer but Trump pardoned them earlier this year. Unless you are some kind of anarchist, this definitely counts as a violent crime, even when it doesn't happen while an armed crowd is trying to overthrow Congress.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago> Are they calling January 6th violent crime? This question is really revealing about the psychology around political violence. And how violence by one side can simply not even be seen as such.
- ljsprague 1y agoThere were a few people who got violent on January 6th. This guy didn't though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Chansley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Chansley Would you call the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 political violence?
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- votepaunchy 1y ago[flagged]
- potato3732842 1y agoI have, um, opinions, about Jan6, 2020, etc. but regardless of those opinions at the end of the day all these things are all rooted in legitimate grievances people have. The fact that the grandparent missed that entirely is incredibly illustrative of "it's going to get worse before it gets better".
- kg 1y agoMultiple people died as a result of the January 6 riots. Which cities burned down in 2020? I'm curious whether I know any refugees.
- ngetchell 1y agoI must have imagined the hang Mike Pence chants. You know his kids were in the building, huddling in a secure location and could hear those chants. They probably also saw the noise they made for him during subsequent news reports. The capital police saved lives that day and prevented assassinations. Some of those officers died from injuries sustained by the attack on America.
- mcphage 1y ago> I must have imagined the hang Mike Pence chants. Oh, that's just locker room talk. You know, "That Mike Pence, he sure is hung."
- LinAGKar 1y agoThere were a number of of deaths during the capitol attack, including a police officer who suffered a stroke a day after being beaten by the rioters. And there was certainly a lot more violence.