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How Does the Cycle of Political Violence End? Here's What an Expert Says
- bell-cot 1y ago> William J. Bernstein, a neurologist and the author of The Delusions of Crowds, a book about the consequences of mass hysteria in history, expects the waves of political violence to eventually stop — but ... A very good article, though obviously there are a lot of uncertainties. Though - what does it say about the fields of Psychology and Sociology these days, that Politico picked a neurologist to be their expert?
- tkzed49 1y ago"And unfortunately, a big part of that is institutional. I mean, what does it say when you commit violent crimes en masse and then the president of the United States pardons you? It basically tells people, “Yeah, you’ve got a free pass the next time.”" The social contract is that there is some system of law and order which approximates justice and peace. When the party of law and order instead uses it selectively to further their agenda, what are the people to do?
- ljsprague 1y ago[flagged]
- ngetchell 1y agoI saw the video live. It was violent with the intent to attack America when it is at its weakest, during the transition of power. Pardoning those people was a big green light signal to do it again.
- littlestymaar 1y ago> Are they calling January 6th violent crime? Until recently, assaulting cops and killing one would have been called a violent crime by pretty much everyone but the fringe revolutionary left but now it's somehow a partisan take…
- the_third_wave 1y ago[flagged]
- xtiansimon 1y ago> “The only person killed during the altercation…” Wikipedia lists “deaths” as a result of the insurrection, 4 on the day and 5 afterwards.
- the_third_wave 1y agoWikipedia lists whatever narrative the editors who have colonised that section of the site want to push. It is not a reliable source, this is something you learn in primary school.
- littlestymaar 1y agoBrian Sicknick was assaulted by Julian Elie Khater and George Pierre Tanios using pepper spray, and he died the day after. Khater and Tanios were sentenced for assaulting a police officer but Trump pardoned them earlier this year. Unless you are some kind of anarchist, this definitely counts as a violent crime, even when it doesn't happen while an armed crowd is trying to overthrow Congress.
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- votepaunchy 1y ago[flagged]
- potato3732842 1y agoI have, um, opinions, about Jan6, 2020, etc. but regardless of those opinions at the end of the day all these things are all rooted in legitimate grievances people have. The fact that the grandparent missed that entirely is incredibly illustrative of "it's going to get worse before it gets better".
- kg 1y agoMultiple people died as a result of the January 6 riots. Which cities burned down in 2020? I'm curious whether I know any refugees.
- ngetchell 1y agoI must have imagined the hang Mike Pence chants. You know his kids were in the building, huddling in a secure location and could hear those chants. They probably also saw the noise they made for him during subsequent news reports. The capital police saved lives that day and prevented assassinations. Some of those officers died from injuries sustained by the attack on America.
- mcphage 1y ago> I must have imagined the hang Mike Pence chants. Oh, that's just locker room talk. You know, "That Mike Pence, he sure is hung."
- LinAGKar 1y agoThere were a number of of deaths during the capitol attack, including a police officer who suffered a stroke a day after being beaten by the rioters. And there was certainly a lot more violence.
- 47282847 1y agoTwin studies problem: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201006/why-twin-studies-dont-separate-genes-and-environment https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/looking-in-the-cultu... The End of Violence: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454978/the-end-of-violence-by-slutkin-gary/9781911709121 https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454978/the-end-of-violence-b...
- moocow21212 1y agoThis is a nash equilibrium situation. When only one side largely commits the violence, they gain big political advantages. Eventually, the other side joins in. the result is a bad situation but the amount of violence is what leads to a compromise, the fear of returning to that violence is the new social contract. Eventually, people who remember that cycle die out, and new people repeat
- karmakurtisaani 1y agoUnfortunately this can take a while to play out. And a lot of violence.
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y agoAre there good assessments of Italy's "Years of Lead" (1) and lessons to learn from them? 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
- jleyank 1y agoMobs attacking the seat of government tends to be considered a Bad Thing. So yeah, calling it a criminal act is appropriate. But, as in Shogun, “unless you win”. Then it’s not criminal it’s revolutionary.
- aaron695 1y ago[dead]